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George Zimmerman verdict: The jury speaks
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | July 20, 2017 | Hal Boedeker

Posted on 07/21/2017 8:35:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: LukeL

It is sort of like the Charles Bronson, Death Wish situation.

well, that shows your frame of mind.

zimmerman was in his own neighborhood, where there was frequent crime, looking out for them.

people like you will never understand that, though.


41 posted on 07/22/2017 12:11:34 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: 867V309

Once again you fail to understand I am arguing from a pure legal standpoint. A law can be poorly written and be terrible and unjust, but it would still be the law. The Dred Scott case is an example. The ruling was 100% correct from a pure legal standpoint. It was however 100% inhumane and morally wrong. It is why we have jury nullification.


42 posted on 07/22/2017 12:20:18 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: LukeL

Once again you fail to understand I am arguing from a pure legal standpoint.

But I can read what you wrote, which was to compare zimmerman to bronson in death wish, which is insane.


43 posted on 07/22/2017 12:23:35 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Leaning Right

When someone violently bashes you head against concrete- they are trying to crack your skull open- there’s no question that ‘probable harm’ was being committed- likely with the intent to kill- George didn’t need to stop and calculate just how much brain damage he was enduring at the time-

All George had to do at this point was correctly decide his life was in imminent danger and respond in self defense— This wasn’t some weakling kid- this was a violent punk physically bashing George’s head against the cement with cruel intentions- This wasn’t just a minor tussle or shoving match or slap fest- ANY time someone bashes someone’s head against a hard object it’s a very serious crime and likely to cause brain damage at the least- death at most-— George was screaming out in fear for his life- This kid meant him serious bodily harm- that was made more than clear in the trial


44 posted on 07/22/2017 12:26:08 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Leaning Right

Only a “lawyer” could try to argue that a possibility something will happen equates to no (i.e. zero) probability it will happen.


45 posted on 07/22/2017 12:26:47 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: 867V309

I asked the question can a person put himself into a dangerous situation and then use deadly force?


46 posted on 07/22/2017 12:29:18 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“People don’t understand you have to follow the law”

quote of the day
that was Martin’s problem all along, of course.


47 posted on 07/22/2017 12:30:29 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: LukeL

I asked the question can a person put himself into a dangerous situation and then use deadly force?

"a dangerous situation" like walking around the neighborhood when a black yoot is nearby?


48 posted on 07/22/2017 12:33:27 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: LukeL

>I asked the question can a person put himself into a dangerous situation and then use deadly force?

What does that even mean? Zimmerman could have started a fist fight with Martin but the moment Martin start cracking head into the cement Zimmerman could have shot him for fear of his life. As it was Martin attacked him, smashed his head into the ground, and then tried to take Zimmerman’s gun from him. If he’d gotten it free without a doubt Zimmerman would have been dead.


49 posted on 07/22/2017 12:36:04 AM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: 867V309
The situation of following a suspicious looking person around who was peering into homes that he did not live in. Again a person has a 100% right to self defense when attacked unprovoked. The issue I stated in the beginning was that could the DA have convinced a jury that a lesser charge of manslaughter could have been warranted as 2nd degree murder was a major overreach with only political justification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjqtB9UXZpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFOCjyc5gzc

Look at the above situations. It is an example of when a person is 100% right in self defense, but escalated the situation. In one situation the person could have done better to leave the area and was eventually forced to use deadly force. The other person was very mentally unstable and the other the CCW was a hothead who picked a fight that turned bad for him.

50 posted on 07/22/2017 1:05:31 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: LukeL
I do believe that Zimmerman did exacerbate the situation and a charge of manslaughter or negligent homicide could have been argued for.

That's the argument of the ignorant.

51 posted on 07/22/2017 2:11:21 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's not gun violence, it's thug violence)
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To: Leaning Right
He said Zimmerman should have been found guilty. I almost fell over when I heard him say that! But then he explained. He said that by Florida law you can only use lethal force when it’s probable that you will be killed by your assailant, or be badly injured by your assailant. The old “I was in fear for my life” will not work, at least for civilians. More than just fear is needed. There must be a likelihood of death, or of severe injury.

LOL! Don't hire your friend to defend you. He obviously doesn't know crap about FL law.

52 posted on 07/22/2017 2:15:46 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's not gun violence, it's thug violence)
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To: Leaning Right

Head wounds don’t count? Please.


53 posted on 07/22/2017 3:07:04 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: LukeL
I do believe that Zimmerman did exacerbate the situation and a charge of manslaughter or negligent homicide could have been argued for.

I'm not aware of anything in the trial record that would support that interpretation. There will always be a question about what happened when Martin confronted Zimmerman. We have Zimmerman's account, but without any other witnesses, there is no corroboration. It is certainly possible that Martin said something to escalate the encounter, but there is no evidence of this. Nor should one speculate based on Zimmerman's mixed record since the trial. Based on the evidence available, self-defense was the only verdict an impartial jury could have reached. Indeed, Zimmerman should never have been charged. The initial judgement of the local police and prosecutors to treat the case as self-defense was correct. Charges were only brought belatedly as a political response to mob pressure, and the jury was correct to find for Zimmerman.

54 posted on 07/22/2017 3:19:45 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Leaning Right
He said that by Florida law you can only use lethal force when it’s probable that you will be killed by your assailant, or be badly injured by your assailant.

I hope your lawyer friend has occasion to advance this theory of the case at a feminist convention, which will undoubtedly applaud his support for convicting George Zimmerman. He should then note that the same logic would apply to a women who is being beaten bloody by a rapist. He will get a chance to subject his theory to a personal field test.

55 posted on 07/22/2017 3:25:01 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Leaning Right
And the lawyer said that even though Zimmerman was injured, there was no probability of death, or severe injury.

The lawyer is a moron.

During the tussle, Martin had discovered that Zimmerman was armed and was determined to shoot him with his own gun. Instead, Zimmerman took out the trash.

Martin jumped Zimmerman, not the other way around.

I cannot underestimate the intelligence of the "lawyer".

56 posted on 07/22/2017 3:34:07 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: LukeL

GZ was going back to his vehicle when he was sucker punched and assaulted. GZ did nothing wrong and had as much right to be walking in that neighborhood as his attacker.


57 posted on 07/22/2017 3:39:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: LukeL
I do believe that Zimmerman did exacerbate

You said "I do believe that Zimmerman did exacerbate ..."

How did he do that?

Martin attacked Zimmerman, not the other way around!

You liberal retards never cease to amaze.

58 posted on 07/22/2017 3:41:51 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: LukeL
The issue I stated in the beginning was that could the DA have convinced a jury that a lesser charge of manslaughter could have been warranted as 2nd degree murder was a major overreach with only political justification.

No charge whatsoever was justified, moron!

59 posted on 07/22/2017 3:48:13 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: sphinx
It is certainly possible that Martin said something to escalate the encounter, but there is no evidence of this.

It's not what Martin said, it's what he did that got him killed.

60 posted on 07/22/2017 3:52:49 AM PDT by cynwoody
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