Posted on 06/25/2017 8:05:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
The current plan in the Senate, much like the House version of the bill, does not repeal Obamacare. In fact, it is only a stay of execution and sets the Republican Party up for failure and possible total collapse in 2018, where a rejuvenated Democrat Party will resume control and usher in single-payer healthcare.
No one in the GOP, and no one even in most of the conservative blogosphere and in talk radio other than perhaps Mark Levin and Andrew Wilkow on Sirius XM Patriot 125 (12pm-3pm EST), are talking about the root cause of the issue.
Federal regulations, subsidies, mandates, and state insurance commissions, as well as left-wing special-interest groups and intense lobbying from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries, are running health-care into the ground.
The sacred link between doctors and patients have been severed. Independent or private physician practices are vanishing at an unprecedented rate, or are being consumed by hospital networks, who are putting rent-seeking and high-profits ahead of patient needs.
The GOP sent dozens of repeal votes to the Senate. Yes, they died under the Senate when Reid controlled it and would have been vetoed by Obama anyway. But they still sent them.
So what is stopping them for sending a repeal vote to Trump's desk?
Here's the thing. The Republican Party is not obligated to fix, work with, "conservatize", manage, or fine-tune Obamacare. NO REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE. So why are they worried if it fails miserably as it's going to do?
They are buying into this notion that poor people are going to lose their plans if their bill passes. But what about the people who lost their plans under Obamacare. Where are their sob stories?
They are also buying into this false premise that someone from government must be responsible healthcare. Who knows your health better than you? Who assigned or appointed experts who think they can plan your life better than you?
All the GOP Congress has to do is send a full repeal vote to Trump. If the Dems or establishment Republicans block it, so be it. The system remains in the Dems' hands and it'll continue to be their baby.
If this bill somehow passes Congress and Trump signs it, what's going to happen is that the media and Dems will automatically blame Trump and call it Trumpcare. Ryan and McConnell will NOT be held responsible. The people who lost their plans under Obamacare have been ignored, but the moment Trump signs this garbage, there will be one sob story after another.
We need to have this debate on healthcare. There is nothing stopping states from implementing their own plans. In fact, almost all the states have some form of plan to help low-income residents. WI has Badgercare, for example. Tennessee has Tenncare. What is stopping Congress from just simply ending Medicare/Medicaid at the federal level and turning them over to the states to run? I'll even support a one-time block grant to the states if it means getting these and other federal health programs out of Washington.
Obamacare must be fully repealed, or we will have single-payer.
You claim ACA is “the right thing”. ACA is government control of healthcare.
Not expensive once you root out the government...i.e a $3200.00 MRI becomes a $499.00 MRI and every working family can afford insurance and medical care.
Government involvement has made health insurance un-affordable for working families and you want MORE government involvement?!?! Shame.
Look at the Lasik model (not covered by government socialized healthcare) prices have dropped dramatically.
Cutting edge technology doesn’t come cheap. And, it got even more expensive with Obamacare because it raided employer tax credits to give more money to Medicaid recipients and low earners buying policies on the exchanges. It was the biggest middle class tax hike in US history. It’s just that the tax credit was hidden because your employer got it and passed it onto you in your benefits package.
Ok, they didn’t eliminate it - they just tethered the “Cadillac” threshold to fast growing healthcare inflation over regular inflation so that soon all insurance plans would be “Cadillacs”.
ACA?
Are you in the healthcare business?
I am not. I do not know all the acronyms. All I know is the government has a role, in ensuring every American can get health insurance.
If the private healthcare system won’t cover some people, then the government should.
Absolutely.
Republicans do not have sixty votes to full repeal. So the decision is what can we get with 52. This we can get. If it’s better than Obamacare support it if not oppose it.
“Affordable Care Act” - what you call Obamacare.
Every man, woman, and child had access to affirdable healthcare before 0care, and after.
You obviously do not understand a single thing you say.
> All I know is the government has a role, in ensuring every American can get health insurance.
You weren’t born here, were you?
“All I know is the government has a role, in ensuring every American can get health insurance.”
What does that mean?
If our $3 trillion health care sector were its own country, it would be the world’s fifth-largest economy!
According to the BBB...There is no such thing as a legitimate price for anything in health care,... Prices are made up depending on who the payer is.... the “medical industrial complex” continues going for as much gold as it can....
Your scattershot BS makes no point.
Crawl back under your commie rock.
Agree with title!
Good question....
Sounds like some ‘expects the Government’ ensure everyone has heath Insurance rather than individuals determine if or not they will purchase it.
I’m of the mind you get what you pay for....and it might not be “fair” ....life isn’t.
Medicine is so expensive because even before Obamacare, your medical dollar had to pay for a vast federal bureaucracy and all its compliance demands as well as a vast insurance bureaucracy. When your money has to support not only the doctors and medicine and treatment that you seek but also the highly paid bureaucrats and insurance agents and executives it makes it much more expensive. Add in the insane liability insurance rates that you also have to pay and yes, medicine is expensive. Furthermore the new drugs that are so expensive are so sky high while under patent because the developers have to recoup the costs of R&D from, American pockets because all other countries make it illegal to pay higher than generic prices for drugs. As a result ALL medical R&D anywhere in the world is directed at the American market. When we finish turning over the medical system to the government then our country will outlaw patent pricing and R&D will stop. That's fine for people who think well we have the best there is we don't need to make it better but: antibiotics must be periodically replaced as the pathogens become immune to them. Without expensive R&D in another generation there will be no effective antibiotics. You get sick you die. Just like 1910.
If we truly want cheaper and increasingly better medicine then we need to repeal Obamacare as a start to eliminating Federal intervention in medicine and insurance altogether. The only legitimate Constitutional oversight is in the matter of guaranteeing weights and measures i.e. enforcing truth in labeling. If we got all that then medicine would cost a small fraction of what it does cost due to not having to pay all those extra salaries and paper and due to the competition that would come to the fore. With government systems, Obamacare or single payer, you create a system where the medical doctor is a relatively low paid employee of a company or of the government. The bright boys and girls will not go into the field. The level of talent in Medicine is already declining for that. >P>And insurance would return to its function as Insurance rather than a wealth transfer scheme for continual prepayment of medical expenses and enrichment of thire and fourth parties.
How about you rethink that comment....or is it just you’re day to get a knot in your pants. I’ll wait while you recover.
Sorry. It was meant for cba123.
Insurance is not healthcare. If it were you could step into the insurance office and get stitches.
We need to end this hold that corporate insurance has on our healthcare.
Glad I waited....;)
You’re right!.....The conversation always seems to eliminate the Insurance Companies themselves as a big part of the problem.....
I have often wondered what would it be if there were no Insurance companies or Hospital Giant Systems. Because they both play and pay off each other at the expense of the people.
I recall some Physicians creating their own groups and as well Insurance from their client/patients. If all Physicians did this and competed with one another for costs...I just think we’d be far better off and anyone could be covered.
And that is a direct result of government meddling .
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