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Trump might call for amnesty for illegal aliens in address to Congress
The Blaze ^ | February 28, 2017 | Carlos Garcia

Posted on 02/28/2017 5:30:22 PM PST by TBP

There are reports that President Trump might call for some kind of amnesty for illegal aliens who have not committed serious crimes in his address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday.

The reports came after journalists attended a White House luncheon Tuesday and cited a “senior White House official” for the statement on the controversial issue.

NBC’s Lester Holt and Chuck Todd are quoting a White House official as saying Trump may issue a call for immigration “compromise,” while Dara Lind of Vox contributed a full quote from the official, saying “The time is right for an immigration bill if both sides are willing to compromise.”

George Stephanopoulos of NBC characterized the White House official’s statement as indicating the president “believes now may be time for immigration bill that has compromise on all sides.”

“The word that President Trump may ask lawmakers to tackle comprehensive immigration reform sparked quick reaction up on Capitol Hill,” Blitzer said, then asked CNN’s senior congressional reporter Manu Raju, “Manu what are you hearing?”

“Well, mixed reaction Wolf, even on the Republican side of the aisle,” Raju explained.

Some conservatives who have pushed for tougher border security measures don’t want to go this route, including Steve Scalise (R-La.) one of the members of the Republican leadership telling our colleague Deirdre Walsh that, “I want us to secure our border, that needs to be our priority, not a compromise bill.”

But some other Republicans open to the idea, including Marco Rubio of Florida, who also told our colleague Ashley Killough that actually he could be open to something like this. Of course he tried to cut that immigration deal in 2013. And on the Democratic side a lot of skepticism including from Oregon’s Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) who I talked to about this idea, possibly of giving legal status to people who are here undocumented but haven’t committed serious crimes. He wasn’t so sure about that idea. “I would have to see the details of any proposal,” said Wyden to Raju. “Certainly if he is looking at something bipartisan, he’s gonna have to walk some of the statements that he has made time after time after time. Which would in effect would say that there would be a lot of focus by immigration authorities like ICE on people who haven’t committed any serious crimes.”

When asked by Raju, “Would you be open to any citizenship just legal status?” Wyden responded, “I’d have to see the details.”

“Indeed and also,” Raju continued, “the Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer was asked ‘is there any compromise bill that you believe that Donald Trump could get behind that you could get behind,’ and he said that ‘he’s got a lot to undo.'”

However, leaks of this nature have come out of the administration many times before and been completely discredited, leading some to speculate that Trump is orchestrating leaks for the sake of undermining the credibility of the media. And, as some have noted, they could have been reporting on idle speculation by a White House official that was being seriously considered but may not make it into the final draft of the speech.

Trump had called for all illegal aliens to be deported, but has since walked back his position and said that perhaps some could stay if they hadn’t committed serious crimes. Many hard-line Republicans are demanding no concessions be given at all to the illegal alien advocates who are now organizing “underground railroad” homes to house illegals from ICE deportations. Democrats are also planning to bring recipients of Obama’s amnesty to Trump’s address Tuesday.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 4; amnesty; fake; fakenews; illegals; trump; trumpsotu
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To: TBP

I would utterly abandon him.


61 posted on 02/28/2017 6:29:36 PM PST by Trod Upon (Government employees and welfare recipients are both net tax consumers. Often for life.)
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To: moehoward

Nope. What he said was that they would have to go out and get in line.

That is vastly different from letting them stay and work here legally.


62 posted on 02/28/2017 6:38:08 PM PST by webstersII
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To: nbenyo

First let’s wait and see if this is fake news.


63 posted on 02/28/2017 6:38:41 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

It was fake. Said nothing about amnesty in the immigration section of the speech.


64 posted on 02/28/2017 6:39:57 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Damn watch his speech this was a total head fake about him softening on immigration ....if anything you double down

Fake media was at it again


65 posted on 02/28/2017 7:19:48 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: All
Stefan Molyneux‏ Verified account @StefanMolyneux 11m11 minutes ago Wait? Are you telling me that the mainstream media simply lied about President Trump betraying his supporters on immigration? You don’t say. ===================================
66 posted on 02/28/2017 7:29:42 PM PST by ak267
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To: tophat9000

Yes, they were at it again. Whoops.


67 posted on 02/28/2017 7:32:30 PM PST by madison10
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To: TBP

Every bit of this crap can now get bent.

Not one bit of it is true.


68 posted on 02/28/2017 7:38:29 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: tophat9000

yes, and certain people in this site bought the lie hook, line and singer.....

....like a dude who sounds like SoCalFreeper.

NOT GOOD...NOT GOOD AT ALL. (smirk)


69 posted on 02/28/2017 7:39:23 PM PST by ak267
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To: eyedigress

The naysayers bought it hook, line & sinker


70 posted on 02/28/2017 7:46:09 PM PST by ak267
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To: ak267

Even at FR you must watch for those idiots.

They only understand adverse but never the truth.


71 posted on 02/28/2017 7:51:48 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: TBP
He might also announce that Martians are real. But I doubt it.

Glen Beck...what a tool.

72 posted on 02/28/2017 8:10:32 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: ak267

I’m no anyways on board with Newt he made a statement right now that kind of clicked in my head I think makes a lot of sense

He said Trump is far more like Margaret Thatcher then he’s like Reagan.

I think there’s a lot of Truth to that Reagan was always just a likeable guy as much is the left hated Reagan never came off as the bad guy. The heavy. Reagan put on the charm offensive he could do the aw shucks

while Margaret Thatcher was... The Iron Lady. She was willing to be the heavy. Trump is more Margaret Thatcher like. He’s willing to be Darth Vader to the left

And Newts point is the left in Britain went as ballistically crazy over Thatcher ...as they our left is going over Trump now.....to the point that the left became so crazy that they became referred to as the loony left and marginalize themselves within a few years


73 posted on 02/28/2017 8:41:51 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: TBP

Not a damn thang about this from Trump tonight. Vaporware news and fake.


74 posted on 02/28/2017 8:46:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: CapnJack

[[ My wife hates illegals coming here]]

And well she should- Illegals cost this ocutnry between $400 BILLION DOLLARS and $600 BILLION DOLLARS every single year- that is money wasted on incarcerating them, paying their lawyer fees- giving them fee schooling, free counsellings, free this free that- Money being sent out of the US to Mexico and other countries by illegals- ICE patrolling, arresting, processing illegals- law enforcement costs etc etc etc- there are a huge amount of costs associated with illegals being

IF we built a wall to the tune of say $40 billion- and kicked all illegals out of this country (while giving non violent ones the opportunity to do things the right way like your wife’s family did to become lawful citizens) We would save at the very least $360 BILLION DOLLARS the very first year- probably even closer to $560 BILLION DOLLARS just in the first year alone

People don’t realize the massive impact that illegals place on this country-

Allow non violent ones to apply LEGALLY for reentry the legal way- and a chance to become citizens- productive law abiding citizens- that contribute to society instead of sucking the life out of it financially- and just deal with the few that will eventually go rogue and commit crimes, get them the hell out, and this ocuntry will be a whole lot better off!


75 posted on 02/28/2017 8:52:51 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

“$400 BILLION DOLLARS and $600 BILLION DOLLARS every single year...”

With all of that savings just think of the schools we could build and teachers we could hire to solve the over-crowding problem due to illegal im.... oh - wait.


76 posted on 02/28/2017 9:04:13 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: 21twelve

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime_summary.html

In recent Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims he stated:

“Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.
In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today’s federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.”

•In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

•There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

•80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

•Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

•In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

•At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

•56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

•Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.

•Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.

•Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.

•Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

•There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

•Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

•Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

•In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

•Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

•The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.

•The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Where does Rubio come off berating Trump for citing FACTS?

[[Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]

The 23 percent criminal traffic offenders figure is only part of the overall picture. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, another 23 percent, more than 43,000 illegal aliens, were convicted of drug offenses. The violent crime category of assault, robbery, sexual assault, and family offenses comes to 12 percent. The non-violent crime grouping of larceny, fraud, and burglary totaled seven percent, and on the list goes — equaling 100 percent of illegal aliens who have been through the criminal justice system and inflicted thousands to millions in cost per alien on the system, for issues having nothing to do with their illegal entry into the country]]

http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/


77 posted on 02/28/2017 9:09:56 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

The Costs Of Illegal Immigration

It is estimated that illegal immigrants cost this country somewhere between $400 Billion dollars and $600 Billion Dollars Every Single Year

DARK SIDE of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YEARLY COSTS
45,008 illegal aliens from countries on the U.S. list of state-sponsors of terror or from countries that protected terrorist organizations and their members were released into the general public between 2001 and 2005 despite the fact that DHS couldn’t confirm their identity. Ultimate costs are unknown. Remember 9/11? ?

The Border Patrol arrested 39,215 “other-than-Mexicans,” along the Southwest border. In 2004, the number jumped to 65,814. DHS admits they only catch an estimated 1/3 of the border crossers. Ultimate collateral damage costs of the ones not caught are unknown. ?

Some sources say that bin Laden purchased several suitcase nukes from the Chechen rebels in 1996. Allegedly several of these weapons have been forward deployed to the US in preparation for al Qaeda’s next attack on American soil. Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

According to two trainers at an anti-terrorism conference, preparations are well underway in Islamic terrorist camps for attacks on American schools that will bring “rivers of blood and staggering body counts.” Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are enormously involved identity fraud. Costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are involved in a plethora of other criminal activities including such crimes involving methamphetamine, cocaine, home invasion, auto insurance fraud, life insurance fraud, food stamp fraud, mortgage fraud, auto theft, drug trafficking, prostitution, and counterfeiting documents. Costs are unknown. ?

At the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities. $6.8B
Mac Johnson estimates that illegal aliens murder between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. annually, an average of 2,158 murders. (Representative King states illegal aliens are responsible for 4,380 murders) $8.4 B

According to FBI Estimates on Number of Arrests in 2005 in the United States and applying a straight 5% of population representation, illegal aliens would have committed 704,709 crimes in 2005. Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $17.6 billion. Some estimates have their involvement much higher. $17.6B

Based on a GAO report of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003 and extrapolating the average number of offenses out across all 267,000 incarcerated illegal alien criminals results in some 1,288,619 crimes! Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $32.2 billion. Another estimated 240,000 criminal illegal aliens are not incarcerated. $32.2B

Professor David Anderson reports that the net annual burdened costs of crime, in 2006 dollars that would be $1.62 TRILLION. A 5% illegal alien participation would be $81 BILLION. Some studies indicate the participation of illegal aliens is much higher than representation. $81B
80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes still walk the streets. As previously noted, based on studies, those illegal alien criminal will commit 13 offenses each. Total costs are unknown. ?

An estimated 2,258,550 pounds of cocaine made it through the southern border with an estimated street value conservatively estimated $72.2 BILLION. Resulting costs of the associated crime is unknown. Assume 50% is paid for through crime. $36.1B

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. Those are just the ones apprehended. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals. Resulting costs are unknown. ?
Researcher Deborah Schurman-Kauflin Ph.D. of the Violent Crimes Institute, reports that the illegal alien population includes 240,000 sex offenders – a “conservative estimate.” Based on studies, they will commit 130,909 sex crimes annually. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, resulting costs are: $6.5B

63% of the sexual crimes, 82,473 victims, were committed by previously deported perverts who returned to commit the crime. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, this would be $4.1 BILLION - more than the cost of a proper border fence along the southern border. . $4.1B

Operation Predator resulted in 6,085 child predator arrests. Some pedophile statistics report that each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Gangs Or Us estimates that MS-13 has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states, and these numbers are continually increasing. .Resulting costs are unknown. ?

In one report, mostly illegal alien Hispanics were involved in 25% of the fatal traffic accidents, an astounding 5 times as much participation as representation. In those accidents, 75% of the drivers had no auto insurance, nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants were registered to other drivers, and 93% of the vehicles had false out-of-state tags. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are often involved in DWIs at a rate that is 3-6 times greater than their representation in the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

At a 5% representation, illegal aliens are responsible for 844 alcohol related fatalities. Data suggests their participation is actually far higher. (Rep.King states that illegal aliens were responsible for 4,745 alcohol related fatalities. If so, that would 5.6 times as many deaths as representation.) Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Based on NHTSA data and a 5% participation rate, illegal are responsible for 309,050 accidents, 2,132 deaths, 139,400 injuries, and a cost of $11.5 billion. Data suggest their involvement is much higher, maybe 3-5 times higher. $11.5B

Half of all children born to Hispanic Americans in 2002 were illegitimate, twice the rate for American whites and 42 percent higher than the overall American rate. Rates are suspected of being even higher for Hispanic illegal aliens. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

There are an estimated 5.1 million ESL students in the USA. If 90% of the ESL students are children of illegal aliens then the education costs for children of illegal aliens is about $34.5 billion per year. $34.5B

Many illegal aliens are carrying horrific third world diseases. In the 40 years prior to 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US. In the following three years there have been 9,000 cases. TB is epidemic in many illegal alien communities and a new Multiple-Drug-Resistant (MDR) TB is spreading. Each person infected with TB will infect 10 others. Treating a single case of MDR TB costs between $250,000 and $1,200,000 per person. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Between March 2000 and March 2005, only 9 percent of the net increase in jobs for adults went to people born in the US but natives accounted for 61 percent of the net increase in the overall size of the 18- to 64-year-old population. The jobs were taken mostly by illegal aliens, displacing native born Americans. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

The National Academy of Science reported that from 1980 to 1995 there was a 44% of the decline in the real wages of high school dropouts as a result of immigration. This affects Black and Hispanics Americans the greatest and is a great contributor to the high unemployment rate in this segment of the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Harvard Professor George Borjas has reported that illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars in 2005. $133B

The Wall Street investment firm Bear Stearns states we are losing $35 billion a year in income tax collections from jobs that are now off the books. $35B

National Academy of Sciences study estimated that immigration’s net benefit to the American economy is only $10 billion. This item is included to illustrate one of the very few real economic benefits of tolerating illegal aliens. Most of the other benefits of illegal aliens “doing the work that Americans won’t” at lower wages goes into the pockets of their employers. -$10B

A Rice University study calculated that in 2006 the net annual cost of legal and illegal immigration will add up to $108 billion. Illegal immigration is about half the total. $54B

The population of the USA recently crossed the 300,000,000. At the present growth rate, it will hit 400 million as early as 2029 and about 500 million in 2050. And if things don’t change real fast, maybe even a Billion by 2075. Additional infrastructure costs will be in the TRILLIONS. ?

Immigration will account for 96 percent of the future increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. Cost to the infrastructure is unknown. ?

A recent report notes that illegals sent and estimated $45 Billion south in 2006, which was up from an estimated $30 Billion in 2004. That money leaving the economy does not produce secondary jobs here.

Using a 2:1 money multiplier, that is $90 billion removed from the American economy. $90B

A Census Bureau study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also significant. The study also finds that if illegal aliens were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow by nearly $29 billion. $10-29B

Jonathan Weisman of the Washington Post states “The Senates embattled immigration bill would raise government spending by as much as $126 billion over the next decade, $12.6B

While some of the costs summarized above are subsets, e.g. cost of the murders as part of the cost of crime, as you can see the economic costs of tolerating illegal immigration is quite considerable. You are paying for it in terms of higher taxes, insurance premiums, et cetera. Some estimates place the net costs of each illegal alien in the country at $50,000 – $100,000. (FYI: 12,000,000 X $50,000 = $600,000,000,000) When the all the indirect costs are factored in, it is probably even higher. In any case, it is a cost that YOU are paying for.

Even saving ten cents on a head of lettuce, how much lettuce would that buy?

Regardless,

What price do you put on each American who has been molested, raped, killed, or murdered by an illegal alien?

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illegal_immigration.html


78 posted on 02/28/2017 9:11:35 PM PST by Bob434
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To: montag813

Seriously? You are calling him Trumpy?!?!

President Trump deserves better—especially from Freepers.


79 posted on 02/28/2017 9:14:47 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (JOHN 8:32 THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.)
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To: dowcaet; TBP

“I think the media, and the NeverTrumpers are about to be played again on immigration. I think the president baited them again.”

Dowcaet, you were 100% correct.
TBP, the neverTrumpers and spineless cried “Wolf!” again.


80 posted on 02/28/2017 9:16:07 PM PST by map
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