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Full title: "Why do millions of white working class and middle class people believe that Donald Trump cares about them?" Originally posted in Nov. 2016, revised in late January. If this was posted earlier, I apologize.

I found this interesting because, like Mr. Lindsay, my studies in college were music and philosophy, along with an MBA. He is something rare in the Left, an honest progressive. His understanding of the Trump phenomenon is not 100% accurate, but it is closer to the truth than most on the Left will say, and certainly closer than most of the Left believes.

Lindsay's mistake is that he genuinely believes in "democratic socialism" as the means of removing inequality from society, rather than realizing that inequality will never be removed from society, and working instead for the rising tide that lifts all boats, not worrying that some boats will be bigger than others. He is, however, knowledgeable and honest, and might be persuaded, over time, to a set of intellectual arguments for conservatism, much as I was in the 1980s, when I was out of college and he was a baby.

1 posted on 02/05/2017 5:46:11 AM PST by chajin
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To: chajin

Because the last two Democratic Presidents were lying, cheating, America betraying bastards with lying, wretched spouses?


2 posted on 02/05/2017 5:51:24 AM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: chajin

The author is an ignorant liar. As a New Yorker since the early 70s (well, a Manhattanite) I can tell you Trump never had a reputation like that. His reputation was as a builder first of glitzy buildings and a guy who had several marriages to blond women second. He had a pretty long marriage to Ivana and most of the tabloids had to do with them going to society parties hosted by Brooke Astor, the gilding of General Sherman on 5th Avenue and the purchasing of The Plaza Hotel. We all worried he was going to paint it gold! He did not. Of course, his affair with Marla made the papers for a while but he did the right thing with her as well. But first and foremost, he was known as a brash builder. He was also off the pages of the two NYC tabloids for years at a time. The lies about this man are out of control and no one seems interested in combating them.

Thank God for his twitter account.


3 posted on 02/05/2017 5:55:35 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: chajin

“I’ve been sheltered from a number of the realities that my parents had to face in their lives.”

The only rational thing he said. Lots of me, me, me.


4 posted on 02/05/2017 5:56:59 AM PST by Mercat (Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal))
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To: chajin

I think that both sides, Democrat and Republican, the normal people, not people wearing a giant vagina, just want a politician to do what he says he’ll do. What Trump proposed in the campaign was rational and good for everybody. (Granted, the people wearing a vagina don’t see it that way, but they appear to be idiots.)


7 posted on 02/05/2017 5:59:10 AM PST by Gen.Blather (n)
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To: chajin

I don’t agree with him, but his screed is well-written and he recognizes the existence of alternative viewpoints, if not their validity, unlike the vacuous Hollywood idiots and much, if not most, of the media. The historical problem that “democratic socialism” faces is that it doesn’t work; if you bring up Soviet Russia, they will always cite the “betrayal” of Stalin and respond that “well, true communism has never been tried”. Well, it has been tried, and it always ends up with the same result: enrichment of a tyrant and his family (Castos, Mugabe, the Chinese leadership) at the expense of the impoverishment of everyone outside the protected class.


8 posted on 02/05/2017 5:59:21 AM PST by laconic
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To: chajin

I don’t agree with him, but his screed is well-written and he recognizes the existence of alternative viewpoints, if not their validity, unlike the vacuous Hollywood idiots and much, if not most, of the media. The historical problem that “democratic socialism” faces is that it doesn’t work; if you bring up Soviet Russia, they will always cite the “betrayal” of Stalin and respond that “well, true communism has never been tried”. Well, it has been tried, and it always ends up with the same result: enrichment of a tyrant and his family (Castos, Mugabe, the Chinese leadership) at the expense of the impoverishment of everyone outside the protected class.


9 posted on 02/05/2017 5:59:29 AM PST by laconic
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To: chajin

Just goes to prove even the news of the 80’s and 90’s had a bias slant only focused on certain aspects of Donald’s life and not him as whole person.


10 posted on 02/05/2017 6:00:30 AM PST by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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To: chajin

I don’t think “caring” makes a difference. I just want Constitutional government, first, and policies with which I agree, second.


11 posted on 02/05/2017 6:05:23 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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“Many probably hated him and everything he stood for”

I don’t agree w/the author’s assessment of Trump’s public perception. Only communists hated him because he was a capitalist.

I simply saw him as a rich guy that also acquired some public fame. Not much different that someone like Getty.

Per why would I think that he “cares” - it gets a bit abstract.

My perception is that he thinks more like I do. I hear the communist spiel from the left and the press and think “You f’n idiots, don’t you realize that the harder you make it for a successful person to succeed, the harder you make it on yourself?”

The more difficult it is for a business to operate means it’s harder for YOU to start and open your own business.

The more that property rights are violated in order to distribute “fairly”, the fewer property rights YOU have.

So I don’t think Trump cares about me in particular, but I think he does care about removing the impediments that would allow others to succeed.

Some businesses want to use government corner their own market (e.g. GE and light bulbs). I don’t think Trump is interested in that. He seems to want a free market.

As such, his self interest is the same as mine.


14 posted on 02/05/2017 6:08:13 AM PST by fruser1
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To: chajin

Yup, I was against Reagan, but at the end of his terms I choked up as I realized that he had done exactly what he set out to do - it was morning again in America. This kid has never seen a real president.


16 posted on 02/05/2017 6:24:40 AM PST by ichabod1 (The Wise Cracker)
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This reminds me of elite leftists asking after Reagan's re-election "Why do so many Americans vote against their own best interests," meaning "Why don't they vote for more and more social programs?"

That is the very definition of an elitist.

20 posted on 02/05/2017 6:39:58 AM PST by Oratam
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To: chajin

what Lindsay fails to acknowledge is that without the hard work, commitment and ethics of his father, and the millions like him, he would never have been allowed the unique opportunity to obtain an outstanding education, relaxed lifestyle and the luxury of spending his prime time apickin’ and agrinnin’ and looking down his nose at those who support him,,,


25 posted on 02/05/2017 7:20:54 AM PST by albertabound
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To: chajin

This guy has been indoctrinated his whole educated life. His view is very screwed as far as I am concerned. I do not want a world that he wants - ever.


26 posted on 02/05/2017 7:48:57 AM PST by Pilated (.)
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To: chajin

Bookmark


28 posted on 02/05/2017 7:57:18 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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I wasn’t electing a pastor.

Churchill was another man for his time, he wasn’t PM due to his sobriety.


30 posted on 02/05/2017 8:56:55 AM PST by zek157
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To: chajin

Quora is filled with loonie lefties. Here are some examples of Trump “questions.”

Would you praise Trump’s assassinator?

Why do you despise President-elect Donald Trump?

Should we refer to Trump as the “so-called President”, given that’s how he treats other government officials?

Would you let Donald Trump be near or hang out alone with your daughter?

Are there any Trump supporters who can defend Trump over what’s happened thus far in his administration?

Do you think Trump supporters are generally ignorant people?

How did someone of Donald Trump’s intellect get accepted into an Ivy League school?

Would you watch a Donald Trump sex tape?

Do you think Trump supporters are generally ignorant people?

These are some of the more egregious questions. However, all of them are set ups for Trump bashing. In the answers, there are lots of Nazi-Hitler comments. It’s pathetic and sad.


32 posted on 02/05/2017 9:46:30 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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