Posted on 01/05/2017 4:51:43 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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Alright, I’ll bookmark this for reading at a later time.
Check out who the Western commies were who helped Mao into power in the first place during the 1940’s and stayed on as his advisors in the following decades... Sol Adler, Sidney Shapiro, Israel Epstein etc.
As to Trump and his relations with GS... just ask Mr Mnuchin or Cohen.
Can we get over this Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller Bull stuff.
Kissinger helped open up China. What we did with that was up to us, to the business community. The business community was wrong!
Our trade policies were gutted and transformed in the early 1990s, not 1973.
Big business went in big-time, and they weren’t looking to Rockefeller to find out what they should be doing.
This Rockefeller boggie-man nonsense is nothing more than that. And what it leads folk to do is dismiss all the corporations who made deals that screwed over the United States.
Rockefeller didn’t force our businesses to hand over patent information, cut millions of jobs U.S. Citizens used to do, and outsource everything else they could.
Sheesh!
We've had trade relations with a lot of different countries. Some of them became successful exporters. Many didn't. China could have become one of the failures, rather than the (apparently) great success that it is.
The goal at the time was to separate Russian and China, to tie us closer to China, and maybe encourage something capitalistic in China. That worked.
But we didn't have to become dependent on China. We didn't have to gut our own industries. It wasn't planned way back in the 1970s either.
You touch on exactly the right issues, and overall I agree with your take on it.
It was a brilliant strategy to play off China against Russia, even if only making Russia second guess the situation.
It really helps to have lived through those times and understand the dynamics in play at the time.
“Nice racket, if you can get it.”
It really triggers a race to the bottom in the long run.
And we wondered how the Nixon crowd got a bad name. It indeed took a Trump to bring the GOP back out of the pit it dug softly for itself. It was the less-bad party. Now it has a chance, though dragged kicking and screaming into it, to be the good party again, indeed the reborn Grand Old Party.
I am close to some industries that are worried about the changes. If we don’t import so much from China, from Mexico, etc. then what will the transportation industry do? These places are the very key to our success! That’s what I hear.
But it’s like hearing the Democrats complain that there won’t be a replacement for Obamacare, when they know jolly well that Trump and his team is smack dab on top of that question. There might be less traffic from ports... but a lot MORE traffic going on in between American manufacturing and consuming locations. And also, with trade negotiations going on, more traffic TO ports.
Well, what was it that Kissinger PROPOSED to China? I can bet it probably wasn’t “you ship us dolls, we ship you corn, and we are even steven.”
This was at the time when China got the notion that “it is glorious to grow rich.”
What said rich to them? American dollars. As many of these debt notes we issued, as possible.
Rockefeller=Tri-Lateral Commission!!!
More than anything else, in the 1973 time frame, was the inception of a dialogue with China.
At the time we wouldn’t hear about internal changes in leadership and policies for months or years. This was problematic.
If this were some plot, the opening up of China would have taken place one day, and within months or a year a massive sea change of policy would have become noticeable.
No other big policy changes did become noticeable other than a better communication between the two nations.
It was two decades later when our businesses went whole hog for China.
Great article. Globalism in a nutshell.
Oh, it grew, but in a definite direction from the word go.
It wasn’t all tweeting birds and mutual philanthropy.
I had a cheap jacket in 1980 that was made in China. This was among the first of the cheap Chinese goods. Somebody eventually stole it from me.
But anyhow, the factory that made that jacket wasn’t being paid in US corn. It was being paid in US dollars. It became a little success story in China. China saw, and wasn’t stupid based on its own desiderata. How can we turn little success stories into big success stories?
And we see what the result did to the Chinese countryside, because to them success stories just meant more and more and more US dollars.
If I remember accurately, Japan still had larger trade deficits with the United States until the mid 1990s.
Okay, I was wrong. It wasn’t until 2000 that we ran up larger trade deficits with China than Japan.
Page 73 below... about mid page. That is 27 years after Kissinger went to China.
So anyhow, Donald Trump has a different idea of success story. Dollars are only one side of it. Goods and services and self-respect are the other side of it.
If China had thought that way... which is another way of saying that prosperity comes from heaven, leveraged by work (and hard work will result in a lot of benefit through that leverage)... well, probably its Yangtze would NOT be a sewer, nor would the atmosphere of Peking/Beijing be a cloud of smog.
Both the US and China suffered from a bad concept. Trump is about to spark a revolution in thought in the USA. We don’t begrudge it to the rest of the world, which needs its own Trumps.
And Japan hit a wall; but China didn’t.
Japan believes more in quality of life, however.
This article puts it out exactly as I remember it.
It is dead on. The only people not mentioned are the Bush’s, who helped carry the torch by facilitating the transfer of factories to China.
It was a concerted effort to break the unions and drop the middle class down to the status of peons or worse, Chinese labor.
The nonsense about “free trade” was just what this guy says - a marketing scam to loosen up opposition to the plan.
For those here saying that it all started in the 90’s, that’s just when it got finalized. They were pushing Chinese trade as a way to get “1 billion new customers” back in 1980.
This plan plus mass third world immigration had one goal: destroy the American middle class and make them part of a global squat labor force which could always be intimidated if they asked for more.
The Rat party and the Clintons went along with all of this because it benefited non-whites. For them and their ilk, Race is everything, and that means whitey loses. They are very happy to see Chinese, Indian and Mexican workers get jobs that the “ignorant rednecks” they deplore used to have.
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