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(VANITY) What is going on with the polls?
10/6/16 | DrDude

Posted on 10/06/2016 6:07:37 AM PDT by DrDude

I know the polls are all over the place. Trump seems to be up in 4 Tracking Polls. State polls vary wildly. My question is the RCP Polls. Do they have any ryhme or reason for which polls are included? They don't hide their bias. As soon as Trump takes a lead they slap up some moronic poll which is way out of line. Why don't they include Reuters which they had last month when it was showing a lead for HRC?

I was looking around last night and went to 538. It had Trump with only a 23% chance. Wasn't it in the low 50's around the debate? Then I looked at their analysis. They did not include any poll later than the end of Sept. Not one poll from Oct which was a week ago. The analysis was date yesterday. What is going on in the Hillary/Media Lovefest World?


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; boguspolls; election; fakepolls; fraud; polling; polls; rcp; votefraud; voterfraud; voters
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To: DrDude

The morons in the media think Hillary will win if they show her ahead in the polls. The dem oversample in some polls is ridiculous.

Trump declared war against the corporate media and they are deliberately trying to destroy him in case you didn’t notice.

But this tactic will backfire. Dems who don’t like Hillary think they have nothing to worry about with her ahead in the polls and probably won’t bother to vote. The same thing happend with Romney last time. The Fox polls showed him ahead and many republicans stayed home.


21 posted on 10/06/2016 6:19:44 AM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: DrDude
After about another week the ‘real’ pollsters will likely become more accurate and less slanted.

All of the earlier polls are meaningless, but those pollsters want to show some semblance of accuracy going into the final 2 weeks. That will make them more viable for the next election.

This will, however, be their last opportunity to put out the significantly slanted polls with the intention of swaying voters. Just today, one 'national' poll shows Clinton ahead by 10, while numerous other 'state' polls show Trump leading by narrow to wide margins.

If you have been neck-deep in poll-watching, you have been allowing yourself to be duped by these daily polls. Notice that each time one candidate supposedly got several points ahead, all of the sudden the race tightened. That was manipulation by the news agents to keep viewers coming back.

22 posted on 10/06/2016 6:20:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Rokke

Trump over performed the RCP average during the primaries by an average of 2.6%.”

Thank you for that data point.

Regardless, favorable movement today in the RCP average!


23 posted on 10/06/2016 6:21:04 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: P-Marlowe
Right. (1) A lot of Trump supporters don't cooperate with pollsters because they despise them. (2) A lot of people are planning to vote for Trump but won't discuss it because of the intense social pressure from Trump-haters. The polls don't reflect either one of these scenarios.


24 posted on 10/06/2016 6:22:35 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: babble-on

also recent polls in NV, CO, NC and FL showed a “hilary surge”.

But even looking closely at 538...the story is sort of the same as it was right before the debate.

Assuming Trump takes NC, FL and NV (he’s pretty close in each, even at 538)....then he has to get Colorado.

Colorado currently seems like a stretch. But if he takes Colorado (provided he also takes NC, FL and NV), then he wins.

Obviously if Trump surprises the lamestream media and wins in PA, WI or MI...well, then, not only does he win but likely Trump landslide (I think if he takes one of those, he takes them all).


25 posted on 10/06/2016 6:23:47 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: DrDude

Its the demographics of the electorate. Women and minorities will put Hillary over the top. That’s being reflected in the polls. We’re outnumbered I’m afraid.


26 posted on 10/06/2016 6:24:12 AM PDT by 38special (For real, y'all.)
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To: NYC-RepublicanCT

I care about the polls also.

I think we should establish a policy around here of “let those who obsess over the polls do so” and “let those who don’t, continue to not”.


27 posted on 10/06/2016 6:25:03 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: DrDude
I'll tell you what's keeping him back.. 3 things

1. His horrible debate performance... he refused to advertise, had 86 million watching, and was absolutely awful

2. He's undisciplined. his 3 am tweets. His constant bragging. His being taken off message so easily.

3. His refusal to advertise!!! And he brags about it! He's getting blistered all over TV and radio, and just like the debate, the outrageous charges are not being answered! Rallies convert no one- ads could

28 posted on 10/06/2016 6:25:08 AM PDT by NYC-RepublicanCT (Trump vs Media/Dems/Obamas/NeverTrumpers. Still winning!!!)
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To: DrDude

Yeah, and the “polls” show Obama with a 55% approval rating too. You believe that?

They’re trying to sell Brooklyn bridges. Don’t buy it. Look at the size of the crowds and the enthusiasm. Trump landslide guaranteed.


29 posted on 10/06/2016 6:26:46 AM PDT by Boatperson83 (Enemies of the Jones Act are Enemies of America!)
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To: DrDude
The polls are nothing more than so much smoke and mirrors to get the sheeple to believe they actually have a hand in who wins or loses. The voting system in this country has been bastardized and rigged for many years.

But, go ahead and vote. It'll make you feel better.

30 posted on 10/06/2016 6:27:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; HarleyD
I voted to fire Michigan’s uber-Lib Governor Jim Blanchard back in 1990. Polls had him up double-digits the day before the election. He lost and the media were stunned.

I was going to cite the same election, but you beat me to the punch. Wonderful election!

31 posted on 10/06/2016 6:30:38 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( Read Shadow Men, The Progressive Virus, and The Marxist Playbook by Dr. Anthony Napoleon)
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To: Rokke

Thanks. I never saw that before.


32 posted on 10/06/2016 6:30:46 AM PDT by DrDude (This poll)
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To: Genoa; xzins
A lot of people are planning to vote for Trump but won't discuss it because of the intense social pressure from Trump-haters.

I'm an attorney and I don't dare talk politics around my colleagues. I don't want to deal with being called an idiot or a bigot and having to spend an hour educating willfully ignorant people.

I was getting an ultrasound procedure the other day and the technician, who was a young Mexican American, happened to ask me who I was going to vote for. I told him Trump and he smiled and agreed. Then we had a pleasant conversation about guns. He was a second amendment guy.

33 posted on 10/06/2016 6:30:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Thanks, Tokyo Rose. Are you trying to suppress turnout too?


34 posted on 10/06/2016 6:31:13 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: TigerClaws

Big rallies don’t always correlate with success as any candidate from George Wallace to Bernie Sanders could attest to. On the positive side, this surge in small donors for Trump is a really good indicator. People literally ‘buy into’ the success of a candidate with a ten or twenty dollar contribution. I hope these people vote early and spend time helping their friends to do so as well.


35 posted on 10/06/2016 6:32:33 AM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: stayathomemom

Yeah it was. Still have fond memories of trudging down to the local library in the snow to cast my ballot.


36 posted on 10/06/2016 6:35:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConservativeDude
Here's the absolute truth... lots of folks here won't like this... FR has become an insulated group when it comes to polls.. Rather than address polls with thoughtful conversation about how to make things better- tons of folks come out and call you names (concern troll), and strategy on how to improve issues goes by the wayside... "all polls are lies, all biased, skewed"... 2012 all over again....

Trump can not win this unless he makes 3 fundamental changes in a hurry... Improved Debate performance, Discipline, and ADS!!!! you DON'T win an election when your approval rating is in the 30s, no matter how bad your opponent is!

37 posted on 10/06/2016 6:35:22 AM PDT by NYC-RepublicanCT (Trump vs Media/Dems/Obamas/NeverTrumpers. Still winning!!!)
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To: NYC-RepublicanCT

I am in NJ just outside Philly area. We get Philly news. Just saw Ads yesterday and they were pretty good Ads. I agree he needs more. Philly will cheat more than anywhere else. Its what they do. I did see the NRA is going to do an Ad Blitz for Trump/Pence. This will be helpful in many states. I think it will be significant in Pa. statewide.


38 posted on 10/06/2016 6:38:54 AM PDT by DrDude (This poll)
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To: P-Marlowe

For future reference, my caveat also applies to exit polling. If I get exit polled, my policy is to say nothing. But I don’t look like a Hillary voter, so they probably won’t ask me.


39 posted on 10/06/2016 6:39:58 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: DrDude

Polls are guesses. Everyone guesses what the voter turn out will look like and creates a poll to reflect that turn out model. The pollsters who guess correct are anointed as geniuses, the ones who guess wrong are scorned.


40 posted on 10/06/2016 6:41:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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