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County Takes Michigan Woman's Property Over $7 Late Fee
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 6/23/2016 | Derek Draplin

Posted on 06/29/2016 9:47:32 AM PDT by MichCapCon

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To: mbarker12474

For a paltry $7.80, I’d say that the prior irresponsibility (is there really a responsibility to pay unjust taxes? sorry, but the question is herein raised) and alleged freeloading (was she availing of state social services? which would be a different issue and not one that socialistic politicians would frown on) is mitigated to the point where foreclosure is far too excessive and a violation of the due process clause to boot.


21 posted on 06/29/2016 10:22:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MichCapCon

No one owns property. They just pay huge deposit fees (sardonicly called buying), to the previous renter. Then they pay yearly rents to the true owner. If you don’t pay your rent then you get evicted and the true owner then rents it out again.


22 posted on 06/29/2016 10:28:25 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: mbarker12474

I agree! That freeloader not paying $7.70 means everyone else must now pony up for this massive financial shortfall. The school district will no doubt have to make serious cuts. I wouldn’t be surprised if the High School marching band will have to do without a tuba this year. /sarcasm.

I think the outrage here is the bureaucracy spending taxpayer dollars on collection efforts, court costs, etc. for a $7.70 late fee. How about this: If the unpaid taxes are within 95% of the property value (i.e. foreclosure is necessary to secure the the amount owed - and nothing more) then move forward.


23 posted on 06/29/2016 10:31:35 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Rap music: Soundtrack of the retarded.)
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To: Olog-hai

And you just want everyone to have freebies. Great. You pay her way if you like her so much. Leave me out of it. You are clearly a welfare lover.


24 posted on 06/29/2016 10:33:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: napscoordinator

Where is the issue of “freebies” raised herein? It isn’t.

Foreclosure in response to a mere $7.80 and the woman’s hardship (read the article again) is a blatant violation of the Due Process Clause.


25 posted on 06/29/2016 10:35:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Idiot! She didn’t pay the next two years either. I know you feel for the slug. Why didn’t you bail her out?


26 posted on 06/29/2016 10:41:51 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: napscoordinator
She did pay them, albeit late. I did advise you to read the article, especially before you started name-calling; there is a mention of the woman having been in an automobile accident. The foreclosure is admitted by the county to be over the $7.70 late fee, not other taxes remaining unpaid. They foreclosed instead of merely acting on these measures:
Documents received from the FOIA request show that Hillsdale County sent delinquent tax notices in 2014, postmarked June 1 and Sept. 1, to Baker’s home address in Jackson. The notices said she owed $7.70. If she paid after Aug. 31, the fee would go up to $9.16. The second notice stated the fee would go up to $24.39 if the bill were paid after Nov. 30. …
Now why were these notices not forwarded to her other address?

The county also alleges that property taxes from two other years were not paid, but the foreclosure notice apparently circulates over the late fee. Habeas corpus has not been suspended in the USA; the woman was never arrested over these allegations nor summoned to court. More than meets the eye here.
27 posted on 06/29/2016 10:50:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MichCapCon

This is precisely why it’s nearly impossible to foreclose on a property, why it’s impossible to evict a squatter. Because of sob stories like this, reactionary laws are written to protect the delinquent owner, and as a result situations like what I now face are all too common.

My crazy neighbor, who thinks he’s Jesus Christ, and yells at the top of his lungs “you are all going to die, the government is planing to bomb us all with nuclear weapons!”, when he isn’t playing “Christian” rock music at the maximum level of his stereo, all day and night, he hasn’t payed his mortgage or condo fees for over a year (much less property taxes I’m sure). He’s received multiple eviction/foreclosure notices but nothing ever happens. Nothing. And it’s all because of the rediculous legal requirements now in place because of sob stories like this idiot woman who couldn’t bring herself to pay $7 in late fees.

With all that said, property taxes as a concept are an abhorrent injustice to any landowner. One never truly owns a property with such modern day fiefdom in place. This cannot be debated, if one is paying money to another entity even the government by definition, one does not truly own the property! The one receiving the money owns the property! Such legalized thievery needs to stop I don’t care about the fact such moneies are used to fund public schools. Public schools are godless enterprises set up to fatten teachers unions anyway, such injustice cannot be abided. It’s un-American in every sense.

< /rant >


28 posted on 06/29/2016 11:01:24 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: napscoordinator

That’s effing theft. The thief should be horsewhipped.


29 posted on 06/29/2016 11:07:06 AM PDT by RC one
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To: MichCapCon

Pure Michigan


30 posted on 06/29/2016 11:13:46 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Made In The USA
RE: your proposal: Taxes would take over 100 years to get to that level in most places. Your property tax bill for the year is usually (depending on what levies have been approved by voters) less than 1% of the value of the property.

Note, she did not pay her taxes in 2014 and 2015 either. In most jurisdictions that I am aware of, taxes are collected 2x/year (half each time). Had she made any of her 4 next payments, the oldest balance would have been paid off and the delinquency moved forward.

This also seems to indicate that she had not paid Federal Income Taxes for several years. People get tax notices in the mail for 2 purposes universally. 1, to notify you of any change in the valuation of your property as well as an update of the mill rate for the new year. 2, a record of taxes paid so that you can itemize them for your Federal Income taxes.

I have a level of sympathy for her because of my general resentment towards government and taxes, however she has no leg to stand on. In short, she chose to stop paying taxes, and when she finally got around to trying to sell her property, suddenly found out that her cost avoidance strategy backfired.
31 posted on 06/29/2016 11:43:01 AM PDT by RainMan (Liberals are first and foremost, jealous little losers who resent anyone who has anything they dont)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The only thing she owed was $7

Like I said, fck good people, collect the bad ones. That county can stay stuck on stupid, hello IsIs


32 posted on 06/29/2016 12:16:58 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

Originally she owed $7. But since she didn’t pay either her 2014 or 2015 taxes, the amount was much higher. Or do you say that she didn’t owe those taxes, either?


33 posted on 06/29/2016 12:48:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: RainMan

Appreciate the thoughtful reply. Hope my prior snark doesn’t suggest disrespect.

The proposal I suggested attempts to limit Government’s ability to seize private property to the extent that the value of the asset doesn’t dwarf the unpaid sum. The proposal has failings, it would likely invite abuse by taxpayers. Just the first idea to come to mind to limit loss of private property for such a small sum, a late fee at that.

I suspect the bureaucracy could have chosen other options for the $7.70. Small claims court would likely have led to a lien on the property or possibly could have led to other collection efforts (garnish wages, maybe send the sheriff to grab a loose chicken on the property and sell it auction). Snark again, sorry.

As a taxpayer, I’m non-plussed by the idea of others being able to escape writing checks that I do. My cynical side is screaming that someone wanted the property or wanted to exercise some muscle on a personal level.


34 posted on 06/29/2016 1:08:39 PM PDT by Made In The USA (Rap music: Soundtrack of the retarded.)
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To: MichCapCon

Another example of why I utterly oppose property taxes as being destructive of property rights. No one ever really OWNS their property in one of these jurisdictions.

At least the British are right up front about it and they call property tax by its more honest name so the peons all know who is in charge: RENT


35 posted on 06/29/2016 1:46:45 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: JudgemAll
They deserve all the illegal muslim immigrants not paying taxes to destroy their county.

The excellent Hillsdale College is there. How about if we limit the suffering to the bad actors?
36 posted on 06/30/2016 5:22:12 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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To: sagar
She was expecting tax payers to subsidize her unpaid taxes. Ain’t gonna happen. Pay your own bill or face the rules.

It sounds like she was trying to sell the property because she couldn't pay 2014 and 2015. The issue is should she have had more time when she was $8 short and likely reasonably didn't know it.
37 posted on 06/30/2016 5:25:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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