Posted on 05/07/2016 5:43:16 AM PDT by marktwain
Big Tim Sullivan on right
New York state, but particularly New York City, has long been a nexus of infringement of Second Amendment rights. New York had more than its share of Tories during the revolutionary war, and New York is one of only six states that has no protection for the right to keep and bear arms in its state constitution. Still, the right was routinely respected until 1911. That was when the infamous Sullivan law was passed to protect organized crime from armed citizens.
The bill was created and pushed through the legislature by "Big Tim" Sullivan, a crime syndicate leader and politician who was part of Tammany Hall. His toughs had complained about immigrants who were resisting their extortion efforts. Big Tim had a simple solution. Make it illegal for his opposition to legally have or carry weapons. From the New York Post:
Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldnt plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends bird cages wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.The police in large cities were corrupt enforcers for their political bosses. With the Sullivan law, Big Tim ensured that his forces could legally disarm any opposition. Here is a description of the policing of the era, and why Big Tim could be reliably assured the police would hand out gun permits only to those he approved of. From History of the Police(pdf):
Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.
So gang violence didnt drop under the Sullivan Act and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts like the 1932 machine-gunning of Mad Dog Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street became the norm.
Politicians were able to maintain their control over police agencies, as they had a direct hand in choosing the police chiefs that would run the agencies. The appointment to the position of police chief came with a price. By accepting the position, police chiefs had little control over decision making that would impact their employees and agencies.52 Many police chiefs did not accept the strong political presence in their agencies, and as a result, the turnover rate for chiefs of police at this time was very high. For example, Cincinnati went through seven chiefs between 1878 and 1886; Buffalo (NY) tried eight between 1879 and 1894; Chicago saw nine come and go between 1879 and 1897; and Los Angeles changed heads thirteen times between 1879 and 1889.53 Politics also heavily influenced the hiring and promotion of patrol officers. In order to secure a position as a patrol officer in New York City, the going rate was $300, while officers in San Francisco were required to pay $400.54; In regard to promoted positions, the going rate in New York City for a sergeants position was $1,600, and it was $12,000 to $15,000 for a position as captain.55 Upon being hired, policemen were also expected to contribute a portion of their salary to support the dominant political party.56 Political bosses had control over nearly every position within police agencies during this era.What is surprising, is that today people are celebrating the political corruption of large cites as being necessary for city administration. Walter Russel Mead at Hudson.org makes the dubious claim that political corruption was necessary for large cities to function. From hudson.org:
All right thinking Americans united in the 19th century to deplore the malign influence of corrupt big city political machines, but it is hard to think how else the tens of millions of immigrants streaming into those cities from all over the world could have learned to govern themselves and begin the process of integration into American life.That is putting lipstick on a pig. London had intense immigration during the same period. Its police were a model of legitimacy.
Sad to see that where my kinfolk escaped to in the mid 1600’s for freedom has become a stronghold of liberalism. If they were alive now, I hope they’d be packin’ their bags once again to get away from a tyrannical, oppressive state govt.
I guess the thugs aren't heeding the NYC gun laws eh?
Oh my, makes me think of the movie “Death Wish”. Particularly when Stuart Margolin invites Charles Bronson to come to Arizona and get out of that “toilet” he lived in.
“If they were alive now, I hope theyd be packin their bags once again to get away from a tyrannical, oppressive state govt.”
Instead of fleeing, why not just rid of that oppressive government, and replace it with one that guarantees and protects the liberty of its citizens?
Excellent article. Now THAT is the way you educate the LIV knee jerk gun crowd with the truth. They’re being played and this article shows why.
Not enough ammo? LOL!
Very good piece Dean.
If you want the real old-fashioned New York and the Sullivan Law, I recommend everyone read Betty Smith’s fine novels - at least two are still being published. Johnny Nolan runs afoul of the law in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.
The people of NY have had enough. Compliance with the SAFE act is 4%.
Trump needs to ask Hillary what she’s going to do when 96% of a category of otherwise law abiding citizens choose to be felons rather than comply with her signature “assault weapon” ban.
Or taking up arms against it.
I could loan them some. Well for now anyway. We’ll see what Question 1 on the Nov. NV Ballot ends up like.
Not knowing much about New York State’s (or New York City’s) history all I can say is “nauseating if true”.
NEEEVADA
Thought it might have been a typing error given that the piece is about New York.What's the issue on the Nevada ballot this Fall?
Just googled it.It would set up an appeals court of some sort.How does that connect to the Second Amendment? Being a lifelong resident of the East Coast I could be wrong but one would think that a state like Nevada would be Second Amendment friendly
Universal background checks brought(bought) to us by nannie bloomberg and the mommunists with the promise to end all gun violence and domestic abuse forever and ever, amen:
“Under current law, federally licensed gun dealers are required to perform criminal and public safety background checks on buyers before transferring guns to them. However, due to a loophole in the law, a background check is not required when a person obtains a gun from an unlicensed seller, making it easier for felons, domestic abusers, and other dangerous people to buy guns. This initiative requires that an unlicensed person who wishes to sell or transfer a firearm to another person conduct the transfer through a licensed gun dealer who runs a background check on the potential buyer or transferee. A licensed dealer may charge a reasonable fee for this service. Certain transfers will be exempt from this requirement, including transfers between immediate family members and temporary transfers while hunting and for immediate self-defense. Failure to comply with this requirement is a gross misdemeanor for a first offense and a felony for repeat offenses. A licensed dealer who agrees to facilitate a transfer must comply with all requirements of state and federal law as though transferring the firearm from the licensed dealer’s own inventory, except that the background check must be run through the federal rather than state background check system.”
So if I take a weapon I own in for adjustment or repair, I may have to have a check done to get it back when finished.
Assuming you live in Nevada...or follow the state's politics...what do the polls say about the Question? As I said,a guy like me would be inclined to see Nevada as pretty friendly to the Second Amendment.
I thought so as well(gun friendly) but failed to put the libs in Las Vegas into the equation. The petition gathered twice as many signatures as required to have the question placed on the ballot. The folks gathering the signatures were telling the prospects that this would end “gun violence” and stop domestic abuse. Mostly, those I saw signing, were women. It will be an uphill struggle to overcome the money being spent by the anti’s. Did you go to the link I put at the bottom? Here it is again:
It includes a list of supporters to the question.
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