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How New York Became a Nexus of Second Amendment Infringement
Gun Watch ^ | 29 April, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/07/2016 5:43:16 AM PDT by marktwain

Big Tim Sullivan on right


New York state, but particularly New York City, has long been a nexus of infringement of Second Amendment rights.  New York had more than its share of Tories during the revolutionary war, and New York is one of only six states that has no protection for the right to keep and bear arms in its state constitution.  Still, the right was routinely respected until 1911.  That was when the infamous Sullivan law was passed to protect organized crime from armed citizens.

The bill was created and pushed through the legislature by "Big Tim" Sullivan, a crime syndicate leader and politician who was part of Tammany Hall.  His toughs had complained about immigrants who were resisting their extortion efforts.  Big Tim had a simple solution.  Make it illegal for his opposition to legally have or carry weapons.  From the New York Post:

Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.

Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.

So gang violence didn’t drop under the Sullivan Act — and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts — like the 1932 machine-gunning of “Mad Dog” Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street — became the norm.
The police in large cities were corrupt enforcers for their political bosses.  With the Sullivan law, Big Tim ensured that his forces could legally disarm any opposition.  Here is a description of the policing of the era, and why Big Tim could be reliably assured the police would hand out gun permits only to those he approved of.  From  History of the Police(pdf):
Politicians were able to maintain their control over police agencies, as they had a direct hand in choosing the police chiefs that would run the agencies. The appointment to the position of police chief came with a price. By accepting the position, police chiefs had little control over decision making that would impact their employees and agencies.52 Many police chiefs did not accept the strong political presence in their agencies, and as a result, the turnover rate for chiefs of police at this time was very high. For example, “Cincinnati went through seven chiefs between 1878 and 1886; Buffalo (NY) tried eight between 1879 and 1894; Chicago saw nine come and go between 1879 and 1897; and Los Angeles changed heads thirteen times between 1879 and 1889.”53 Politics also heavily influenced the hiring and promotion of patrol officers. In order to secure a position as a patrol officer in New York City, the going rate was $300, while officers in San Francisco were required to pay $400.54; In regard to promoted positions, the going rate in New York City for a sergeant’s position was $1,600, and it was $12,000 to $15,000 for a position as captain.55 Upon being hired, policemen were also expected to contribute a portion of their salary to support the dominant political party.56 Political bosses had control over nearly every position within police agencies during this era.
What is surprising, is that today people are celebrating the political corruption of large cites as being necessary for city administration.  Walter Russel Mead at Hudson.org makes the dubious claim that political corruption was necessary for large cities to function.  From hudson.org:
All right thinking Americans united in the 19th century to deplore the malign influence of corrupt big city political machines, but it is hard to think how else the tens of millions of immigrants streaming into those cities from all over the world could have learned to govern themselves and begin the process of integration into American life.
That is putting lipstick on a pig.  London had intense immigration during the same period.  Its police were a model of legitimacy.

Teaching new immigrants that the American political system depended on "who you knew" and "how much you paid" was the antithesis of American constitutional government.  The legacy of that corruption lives on.  Mead wrote the above in a glowing endorsement of the corrupt political machine that the Clintons have put together.  Mead makes a case for what he calls "honest graft".  It is not surprising that corrupt politicians want the population disarmed. 

New York has long been a center of immigration.  People who come to America without any tradition of freedom are not taught they have a right to keep and bear arms.  The City and its corrupt politicians teach that only the rich and powerful have enough political influence to obtain permission from the state to be armed. This reinforces the understanding immigrants had in their country of origin.  With a hundred years of this policy in place, and millions of immigrants and their offspring experiencing a city without the Second Amendment, it is not surprising that New York is a nexus of antagonism against the right to keep and bear arms.

22% of New York State residents were foreign born in 2010.  In New York City, the percentage was 37%.

Police in large cities are mostly creatures of the political entity they work for.  In spite of reforms, requirements for training, police unions, and state wide police standards, police chiefs usually serve at the pleasure of the City Council or Mayor.

This is why most urban police chiefs differ from street policemen on gun control policies.  They are not independent actors, but are acting on the desires of their bosses. An exception that proves the rule is Chief James Craig of Detroit.  He is one of the few big city police chiefs to speak in favor of armed citizens, and their ability to reduce crime.  He was not put in place by the Detroit political machine.  Because Detroit went into bankruptcy, he was appointed by Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr to the position.

Two of the three chief engineers of the recent "SAFE" act have been found guilty of corruption. The history of New York City has been a history of corruption and a disregard of the Constitution for a hundred years.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.
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Look at a map that shows where the heavy immigration numbers are. They are the most reliably Democrat states. An exception can be made for Florida, where many immigrants escaped communism in Cuba and Venezuela.
1 posted on 05/07/2016 5:43:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sad to see that where my kinfolk escaped to in the mid 1600’s for freedom has become a stronghold of liberalism. If they were alive now, I hope they’d be packin’ their bags once again to get away from a tyrannical, oppressive state govt.


2 posted on 05/07/2016 5:56:59 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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And how funny it was on Family Fued the other day when they asked what sounds are you likely to hear at night in New Yok City. Two of the four answera were gunshots and sirens...

I guess the thugs aren't heeding the NYC gun laws eh?

3 posted on 05/07/2016 6:02:37 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: marktwain

Oh my, makes me think of the movie “Death Wish”. Particularly when Stuart Margolin invites Charles Bronson to come to Arizona and get out of that “toilet” he lived in.


4 posted on 05/07/2016 6:03:44 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("You'd see a different game if nobody wore a helmet". NY Rangers' Barry Beck 1983)
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To: rktman

“If they were alive now, I hope they’d be packin’ their bags once again to get away from a tyrannical, oppressive state govt.”

Instead of fleeing, why not just rid of that oppressive government, and replace it with one that guarantees and protects the liberty of its citizens?


5 posted on 05/07/2016 6:05:52 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: jsanders2001

Excellent article. Now THAT is the way you educate the LIV knee jerk gun crowd with the truth. They’re being played and this article shows why.


6 posted on 05/07/2016 6:11:20 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ought-six

Not enough ammo? LOL!


7 posted on 05/07/2016 6:21:08 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: marktwain

Very good piece Dean.


8 posted on 05/07/2016 6:21:24 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: marktwain

If you want the real old-fashioned New York and the Sullivan Law, I recommend everyone read Betty Smith’s fine novels - at least two are still being published. Johnny Nolan runs afoul of the law in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.


9 posted on 05/07/2016 6:25:46 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: marktwain

The people of NY have had enough. Compliance with the SAFE act is 4%.

Trump needs to ask Hillary what she’s going to do when 96% of a category of otherwise law abiding citizens choose to be felons rather than comply with her signature “assault weapon” ban.


10 posted on 05/07/2016 6:26:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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To: rktman
If they were alive now, I hope they’d be packin’ their bags once again to get away from a tyrannical, oppressive state govt.

Or taking up arms against it.

11 posted on 05/07/2016 7:52:59 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: JimRed

I could loan them some. Well for now anyway. We’ll see what Question 1 on the Nov. NV Ballot ends up like.


12 posted on 05/07/2016 8:15:15 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: marktwain

Not knowing much about New York State’s (or New York City’s) history all I can say is “nauseating if true”.


13 posted on 05/07/2016 9:29:31 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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Do you mean the Nevada ballot or the New York ballot?
14 posted on 05/07/2016 9:35:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Gay State Conservative

NEEEVADA


15 posted on 05/07/2016 10:10:49 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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NEEEVADA

Thought it might have been a typing error given that the piece is about New York.What's the issue on the Nevada ballot this Fall?

16 posted on 05/07/2016 11:17:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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NEEEVADA

Just googled it.It would set up an appeals court of some sort.How does that connect to the Second Amendment? Being a lifelong resident of the East Coast I could be wrong but one would think that a state like Nevada would be Second Amendment friendly

17 posted on 05/07/2016 11:25:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Universal background checks brought(bought) to us by nannie bloomberg and the mommunists with the promise to end all gun violence and domestic abuse forever and ever, amen:

“Under current law, federally licensed gun dealers are required to perform criminal and public safety background checks on buyers before transferring guns to them. However, due to a loophole in the law, a background check is not required when a person obtains a gun from an unlicensed seller, making it easier for felons, domestic abusers, and other dangerous people to buy guns. This initiative requires that an unlicensed person who wishes to sell or transfer a firearm to another person conduct the transfer through a licensed gun dealer who runs a background check on the potential buyer or transferee. A licensed dealer may charge a reasonable fee for this service. Certain transfers will be exempt from this requirement, including transfers between immediate family members and temporary transfers while hunting and for immediate self-defense. Failure to comply with this requirement is a gross misdemeanor for a first offense and a felony for repeat offenses. A licensed dealer who agrees to facilitate a transfer must comply with all requirements of state and federal law as though transferring the firearm from the licensed dealer’s own inventory, except that the background check must be run through the federal rather than state background check system.”

So if I take a weapon I own in for adjustment or repair, I may have to have a check done to get it back when finished.

https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases_Initiative,_Question_1_%282016%29#cite_note-quotedisclaimer-6


18 posted on 05/07/2016 11:44:59 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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Hang on...I googled Question 1 Nevada and came up with the explanation that it establishes some sort of appeals court.Maybe I clicked on the wrong link.

Assuming you live in Nevada...or follow the state's politics...what do the polls say about the Question? As I said,a guy like me would be inclined to see Nevada as pretty friendly to the Second Amendment.

19 posted on 05/07/2016 11:59:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I thought so as well(gun friendly) but failed to put the libs in Las Vegas into the equation. The petition gathered twice as many signatures as required to have the question placed on the ballot. The folks gathering the signatures were telling the prospects that this would end “gun violence” and stop domestic abuse. Mostly, those I saw signing, were women. It will be an uphill struggle to overcome the money being spent by the anti’s. Did you go to the link I put at the bottom? Here it is again:

https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases_Initiative,_Question_1_%282016%29#cite_note-quotedisclaimer-6

It includes a list of supporters to the question.


20 posted on 05/07/2016 12:09:51 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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