Posted on 09/24/2015 6:17:59 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
Personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous outside the RCC says pope.
http://popularliberty.com/5516/personal-relationship-jesus-dangerous-says-pope
http://www.worthynews.com/16807-pope-stirs-controversy-amongst-evangelicals
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Actually by the spirit...we are enabled to call him “abba” or “Father”(abba back then was a term used by children...literally meaning “daddy”...denoting a much more intimate relationship then simply “buddy”)
Yeah, that personal relationship with Jesus of Nazareth got eleven of the apostles executed. And they were very dangerous men. They turned the world right side up.
Jesus didn’t walk the Earth as a Man so He could understand and develop a relationship with us - He did it so we could relate to Him and develop a relationship. (along with being that perfect sacrifice and forgiving our sins bit).....
I know almost nothing about LDS doctrine. I’ve read some about its founding; the golden tablets, and the magic spectacles that enabled Smith to read the tablets. It sounds a bit....er....ah...shall I say....(harrumph)....far fetched. But who am I to criticize?
In all fairness, mormons as a lot, have their fair share of scoundrels and sheisters, such as the notorious Warren Jeffs and his associates, to name some recent ones. But probably no more than any of the mainline denominations. And in the main, they have some pretty high standards for themselves and do some admirable things.
It may be a bit like Clairol. Only the Lord knows for sure.
Ma certo. E vero.
(That you tube ... LOL!)
You put everything on the question, "By whose authority?" and you're right to do so. It's the most important question in the world. In the Gospel, Jesus warns us against following false messiahs and others who claim authority—but who may be confused or even intentionally working for the devil.
Catholics believe the Bible is authoritative. The Bible does not have authority in itself. It's a collection of books. We believe what is written in the books of the Bible because the men who collected and chose them were authorized to do so. Those men—the Church—got their authority from the mouth of Christ Himself, who told St. Peter (in the common Protestant translation), "You are rock, and upon this rock I build my church."
I'm pointing out that our (well-placed) confidence in the Bible, yours and mine, rests on something outside the Bible: tradition. Tradition (from tradere) means "to hand down" or pass something to someone else. That's why the Church recognizes both Scripture and Tradition—because without Tradition, Scripture is just writing. "Just writing" could be from anyone, including the devil or a madman.
The reason we know the Bible is inspired by God is authoritative tradition that, through an unbroken chain, extends back to the person of Christ Himself.
To your question: The Pope's authority (that crucial word) concerns the things handed down to him from Christ—matters of faith and morals. The Pope properly speaks on many things outside of faith and morals, and may be correct in all of them—or none of them. He is not obliged to be infallible in his pronouncements on meteorology or immigration, and I don't happen to believe he is. I love and respect the Pope anyway. And we shall find out what the weather brings soon enough. As to immigration, let us pray. And work.
This Francis person is beginning to sound like he’s from a place not on this earth. That statement is what Satan wants everyone to believe and, when they do, he wins.
“Thank GOD for Martin Luther.”
I’m not a Lutheran, but I have to say, “Amen!” to that.
(Plus, “A Mighty Fortress” is my favorite hymn. He “did good” with that, too.)
I know a lot of born again Christians who have died.
Admittedly, you will find Catholics who say stuff like that. But the documents, especially the Catechism, are clear, though subtle and not always easy. And they're on line.
A relevant section of the Catechism
Paragraphs 818, 819, and 838 are good places to start.
I don't necessarily hold to the "historical" interpretation of Revelation, but wholeheartedly agree that the catholic "church" is one of the most corrupt and misleading religious entities in the history of the world.
No. Not at all.
The argument is "does God provide individual Christians guidance that is indistinguishable from their own ruminations, or does he provide his Church with a human hierarchy to guide them?"
And despite your denial "Trinity" and "pope" ARE germane by virtue of the fact you ascribe significance to the absence of the one in the Scripture, and ignore the absence of the other. That you do so without any reasoning, indeed only mockery, for this inconsistency demonstrates the vanity of your "argument."
>> does God provide individual Christians guidance that is indistinguishable from their own ruminations
Why yes he does! Courtesy of His Holy Spirit.
No pope or bishop or even priest required!
So what do you make of 1 Cor 12?
>> ignore the absence of the other
WHile the word “trinity” may not be found, certainly the VERY CLEAR PRINCIPLE of “GOD in three Persons” is all over Scripture.
Popey? Not so much. In fact — not at ALL. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Not in word, not in principle. There is no pope in Scripture. Catholic fantasy.
And absolutely, most certainly, not Pope (or priest or bishop) as a necessary go-between. That’s heresy, plain and simple.
And don’t even get me started on the heresy of worshipping, and praying to, Mary.
The church is the “army” of JESUS, the CHRIST.
But the church does not BRING salvation; the church is the saved joining together (willingly, as GOD’s children, out of love) to “work out their salvation”.
But that outworking, again, is not for the purpose of gaining salvation. We are saved, by grace, through faith (and not by works, so that no man can boast).
That’s in there somewhere too! (Hint: Galatians)
In my misspent youth, when I was an Episcopalian and the Catholics began not being all stand-offish, St. Dominic’s, Oyster Bay, NY hosted an interdenominational prayer service. The closing hymn was, “Ein Feste Burg.”
That was a huge statement, I thought then and think now. And now as a Catholic I still get to sing lots of hymns from my childhood and clergy days. I am glad we stopped being total jerks and began acting like family a little.
Yes. Church, army, church militant, etc. And though Paul's "body image" (heh heh) is probably the one he uses the most, of course, the toesies (sorry, I had a daughter, it affected my mind) in Christ's body are no farther from the head than the neck is. So we can't work that analogy too hard.
Hmm. Galatians.... New Testament, right? Let my get my Cliff Notes ... ;-)
I think, um, Ps 87:7b -- ... all my springs are in thee.
That is, it's not so much that salvation doesn't come through my works, it's that I don't have any works to call my own. "Tamquam nihil habentes, et omnia possidentes." 2 Cor 6:10.
... all things come of thee, of thine own have we given thee. (1 Chronicles 29:14b)
So, really, the only thing of which boasting is even reasonable is the Cross of our Lord, by which we also are crucified unto the world. And I can't take credit for THAT! Boasting just ain't happening.
Mind you, I will TRY to boast, because I'm a jerk. But my sweet Lord will clobber me upside the haid when I do. So it's all good.
But there is this: Most of the time, for most of my life, I have tended to go with practical and quiet clothes (except for the occasional bow-tie, because I think bow-ties are ludicrous and the world needs more silliness.)
But, in these latter days, a friend turned me on to extravagantly designed socks. So in occasions of celebration, like Sundays, I wear fancy socks just to celebrate. Some might think that's boasting. But it's not. It's just saying Hallelujah. We should say Hallelujah a LOT, and when a good work happens in our vicinty is a fine time to do so.
Here endeth the rant.
Henceforth let no man trouble me, for I bear on my body some toadally awesome socks, baby!
>> I think a lot of rancor could be addressed bu thinking that way.
We certainly can do with less rancor and more unity in the body of CHRIST.
Differences WITHIN the body of CHRIST fade to nothing, compared to the difference BETWEEN GOD’s Kingdom of Light (as manifest in His church) and the kingdom of the “prince of the air” (as manifest in marxism, islam, secular humanism, etc.)
We do well to stand shoulder-to-shoulder, put our armor on, and fight with prayer the battle in the heavenlies. Soldiers of CHRIST, Arise!
FRegards, and GOD’s blessings on you, in JESUS’ name.
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