Waco Biker Massacre: Inconclusive Autopsy Reports, Absurd Court Decisions, Gag Order Maintained

Reason ^ | August 28, 2015 | Brian Doherty

[TexasGator]

“The long, winding roar of hundreds of motorcycles ridden by serious, strong and silent men, casting aside rivalry and contention and at times, even warfare to demonstrate respect and solidarity and strength for the loved ones left behind is a thing of nobility; even if an isolated one amid the wenching and the drinking and the fighting and the territorial angst.”

Respect for the dead? How about respect for the living????

[Robert Teesdale]

Am I chapping your hide, here?

[Robert Teesdale]

This might end up being a little fun.

TexasGator, I'll be candid in response to your serial posts. Full disclosure, and I will even note where I'm stating what I know v. what I think.

After all the stupid graphics and conspiracy theories and personal insults you have engaged in you want ‘genuine engagement’ from me?

Yes. I am curious to know what drives the maelstrom of unfriendliness inside you, as you are a specimen of example. The lines are being drawn in the nation, darker each day, and we see the low intensity conflict becoming more brokenly open as uniformed officers are being fatally ambushed at a rapidly increasing rate and the distrust between the People and the State is now open and declared. Your positions, your manner, your advocacies and your espoused ideology are starkly useful in analysis. There is also a genuine compassion for you for what seems like a frozen, somewhat fixated fear and bitterness on your part.

Which biker gang are you affiliated with?

I am not affiliated with any motorcycle club. To my knowledge, no person in my life is a patch holder, prospect or hang-around of any club. I have had one or two very brief conversations with patch holders in passing over the years but not enough to form an acquaintance. I have no knowledge of any club business or opinion on the same. For that matter I am not aware of any gang affiliation or even interest on the part of any person I personally know. The same can be said of any other organized crime relationship or affiliation.

You can sort of picture me as the ‘independent’ on the road ‘controlled’ by the gangs. I enjoy that independence. I don’t consider it isolation.

You are aware, I presume, that you are deliberately painting an "outlaw" picture of yourself? The bold lone wolf, No Clubbed, defying who you name as rulers of the road? It's a fascinating sort of projection taking place, one more reason why I am interested in what moves you personally. It sounds as if you are in fact drawn to that culture of the outlaw, but haven't yet made that decision to leap into what you truly want in life.

Bringing facts to the table and exposing false information is bringing balance to these threads. I don’t expect to ever gain a favorable opinion from a bunch of dudes that consider smear tactics and posting personal information their primary form of engagement.

I see you bringing facts, opinion, conjecture and insults to the table. Much like any other poster. You may not expect to receive a favorable opinion, but personally I believe there is value in real engagement with other human beings and in recognizing the worth of what moves them internally to their positions and understandings. In both directions. Why not join me?

Otherwise, why bother? If we do not bother to know the other, and to reach common ground, then when political disagreement turns adamant and power on the ground grows hot, it degenerates into force and that is the object to avoid.

And yours?

I don’t know if this was your first but it was early on. Please explain how that is ‘increasing the knowledge or insight’ of others?

I attempt to increase the knowledge of others by sharing my perspective. My perspective is arrived at through experience, education and consideration. My perspective isn't necessarily correct or determinative. I put effort into developing a thoughtful one. I share in a style that I hope will accurately convey my thoughts, and from time to time bring amusement or enjoyment. I like to write. I hold passionate views. At times I may succeed in provoking positively, or negatively. Some times I no doubt evoke boredom and disinterest. Nothing's 100%.

They sure didn’t need more.

We are in agreement. The paramilitary forces of the State that were prepositioned in the Twin Peaks restaurant area on May 17th, 2015 were indeed numerous enough to inflict an appalling death count and successfuly conduct mass arrests of witnesses on a scale capable of immediately suppressing any and all useful public voice contradictory to the propagated State narrative.

How about sharing a personal experience that forms your worldview on the relationship between the State and the People? Or which, if any, of the enumerated rights of Man you really don't - or passionately do - subscribe to belief in? What hurt does your perpetual sarcasm stem from?

I used to believe deeply in America. I still do believe deeply in America. I also used to believe in the integrity of our government. I no longer do. I no longer believe in the integrity of any government. And I have moved past the stages of loss; I view the cycle of liberty and tyranny and revolution and renewal as just Men breathing their cultures. It's not personal, even though the impacts are.

We all have a role to play. Mine I see clearly, more than I ever did, and with I think a more mature and sober execution than I did as a passionate thirty-year-old at a podium addressing a crowd, full of fire and piss and vinegar. I still have the fire, but added to that is now a more candid self assessment of capacities and time.

I am executing, not theorizing, and it is good to do.

You?

[don-o]

mark

[mac_truck]

Am I chapping your hide, here?

Kicking your butt is more like it...hence the ping for reinforcement's.

[Robert Teesdale]

Kicking your butt is more like it...hence the ping for reinforcement's.

If I was looking for reinforcements I'd not have pinged you, Ethan, X-spurt or others. I'm actually enjoying this. Perhaps a chance for TexasGator to be more forthcoming than in the past.

In the meantime, you and I can trade insults?

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

This might end up being a little fun.

Hardly. TG has already rolled you in the back alley, so to speak. There's really no reset button for you to push, no matter how much you'd like there to be.

[Robert Teesdale]

Even more fun to have the three of you present up front for the revel!

Let's start with a question for you. Wouldn't you agree, based on the evidence, that Darwinian selection is involved with the evolution of outcomes for State structure among men? That there's an inherent tension between liberty and tyranny, pulled tangentially by ego and desire, ending up in a predictable cyclic pattern which lends itself to disruption and manipulation at the cost of blood?

[Robert Teesdale]

And, do you guys work parallel shifts?

[mac_truck]

you pinged me to this thread doofus, so no.

[Osage Orange]

Bringing facts to the table and exposing false information is bringing balance to these threads. I don’t expect to ever gain a favorable opinion from a bunch of dudes that consider smear tactics and posting personal information their primary form of engagement.

What about bold bald flat out lying....TG??? You are pretty good at that, aren't you!!

Are you a chick?

[Osage Orange]

I think he was being FReeper courteous....

FWIW-

[Robert Teesdale]

you pinged me to this thread doofus, so no.

I was going to post, "Bummer". But by calling me a doofus, you're already on a roll for the flames.

You see, this is quite fun.

Would you have been a Tory in 1775?

[mac_truck]

Whats the matter Robert...the fish aren't biting?

[Robert Teesdale]

Fishing references are fun. I spent all day Saturday on a boat off the Outer Banks, pulling in grouper and red snapper. Mackerel, shark and sea bass were on the menu as well. A little bit sunburned but quite happy. Vegas looks to be in the works over the next couple of weeks.

Thunder in the Rockies is this coming weekend as well, so a full calendar is a happy one.

Got any plans yourself? Self-defense class against wallet chains?

[TexasGator]

“Fishing references are fun. I spent all day Saturday on a boat off the Outer Banks, pulling in grouper and red snapper. Mackerel, shark and sea bass were on the menu as well. “

I am not in SC but the internet shows SC red snapper as prohibited and Fed says no open season.

[wardaddy]

Buddy

These are just like south bashers and indeed one south basher is on this thread in TGs posse

This is what they do

All invective

Zero perspective

We know nothing about them

There is some history here on south bashers and involves concerted effort and subterfuge

They could high school girls or a bridge club in Fort Meyers

Who knows

But they are for sure unhappy folks who basically live here

Nice post

[don-o]

I am not in SC but the internet shows SC red snapper as prohibited and Fed says no open season.

I missed where the OBX moved to SC. No wonder Waco stifled you, Patrick. Dim bulb.

[waterhill]

Seriously dude?

[JJ_Folderol]

>>> Fishing references are fun. I spent all day Saturday on a boat off the Outer Banks, pulling in grouper and red snapper. Mackerel, shark and sea bass were on the menu as well. <<<

AHA! My lunch choice for today is resolved! Sushi at the local Japanese restaurant.