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Waco Secret Of The Day
The Aging Rebel ^ | July 6, 2015

Posted on 07/07/2015 6:50:50 AM PDT by don-o

The Waco secret of the day is the surveillance video shot by the Don Carlos Mexican Restaurant in the Central Texas Market Place in Waco on May 17. Dallas Attorney Clint Broden wants a copy.

Recent escapees from Syrian prisons need to know that there was a big news event in that shopping center that Sunday around lunch time. Some arbitrary number of people, some number in the low two hundreds, were detained. One hundred seventy-nine people were arrested. A couple of them were let out of jail that night. Police announced there were about 160 arrests. Eventually, after a couple of days, that number evolved to 177.

The arrestees were all held on $1 million bail by a Dukes of Hazzardesque Justice of the Peace named W.H. “Pete” Peterson. Peterson authorized the arrests based on the testimony of a local detective named Manuel Chavez who has since admitted that he didn’t know who any of the arrestees were or what they had actually done – if anything. Probable cause is just a question of mind over matter. If a lay justice of the peace don’t mind it don’t matter. Chavez didn’t even write the complaint. “Somebody” in the District Attorney’s Office did. Chavez swore on the tattered remnant of his sacred honor that all those people he did not know were members of criminal street gangs who had each committed or conspired to commit murder, capital murder, or aggravated assault. Maybe Chavez had a hunch. Peterson found himself confronted by a ginormous stack of photocopied criminal complaints so he had Chavez swear that the whole stack contained the whole truth and nothing but the truth and then he let it go at that. Maybe Peterson has ADHD.

Afterward, Peterson stated, “I think it is important to send a message. We had nine people killed in our community. These people just came in, and most of them were from out of town.” So much for that “Visit Friendly Waco” tourism campaign. Forget all those “Waco The Texas Tahiti” posters. Sure, maybe a couple dozen hula dancers in training had their dreams shattered but when one door closes another always opens. The for profit jail business and the bail bonds business and the lawyer business in Waco are all trending way up.

Connect The Dots

Broden has been demanding the release of evidence that might illuminate exactly what happened before, during and after a violent confrontation between the Bandidos and Cossacks Motorcycle Clubs and machinegun-toting representatives of the Waco Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department and, for all anybody knows, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Security and Exchange Commission, the National Institutes of Health and the Screen Actors Guild. Broden wants a look at the video shot by the Don Carlos Restaurant’s cameras “aimed outside the restaurant” between the hours of 10:30 a.m. and 9 p.m.

The parking lot between the Twin Peaks and the Don Carlos is where that violent confrontation occurred. There is some disagreement among eyewitnesses and people who have spoken to eyewitnesses and reporters who have spoken to people who have spoken to eyewitnesses about who did the shooting and the killing.

First thing after the gunfire stopped, police seized everybody’s smart phone, lest it contain video that might contradict the official account; and video from the Don Carlos and the Twin Peaks restaurant, whose management is being blamed for the shooting. One thing about which the Cossacks and the Bandidos can agree is that they want the video released. The police don’t want any video released and they say that is because they don’t want to interfere with the due process rights of that big stack of names Peterson and Chavez, and Waco Police spokesman W. Patrick Swanton, and Waco Police Chief Brent Stroman and McLennan County District Attorney Abelino “Abel” Reyna accused of murder on international television everyday for two weeks.

Lawsuit

Don Carlos has a dog in this fight. A soulless corporation named DC Waco Restaurant Inc. Doing Business As Don Carlos Restaurant is suing Peaktastic Beverage, LLC Doing Business As Twin Peaks Restaurant and Front Burner Restaurants, LP and Twin Restaurant Investment Company LLC for damages of more than $1 million for, among other things, “Failing to observe and heed instructions from Waco Police Department concerning motorcycle-related special events.”

Don Carlos’ attorneys, who have seen the video Broden now seeks to see, allege that their customers “were trapped inside the establishment as thousands of bullet rounds were fired by law enforcement officials and gang members. Law enforcement agents used Plaintiff’s porch and surrounding walls to protect themselves from incoming fire. At least four cars in the parking lot of Plaintiff’s place of business now have multiple bullet holes in them. Immediately following the incident, businesses surrounding Twin Peaks were closed by law enforcement agents. The Waco Police Department issued a statement indicating it considers the area located in Central Texas Marketplace on Interstate 35 a crime scene. This area includes Plaintiff’s place of business, which has been closed and unable to serve patrons since Sunday, May 17, 2015. At the time of the incident, the owners of Don Carlos Restaurant had discussed selling the business, going so far as to value the business and speak to a broker. After the shootout, that process ended.”

Don Carlos has moved to quash Broden’s subpoena of the video on three grounds: First that Waco police seized the hard drive that held the original video and Don Carlos has retained only digital copies; second that if Brodin wants to see the video he should get a copy from prosecutors; and finally that it would be too much trouble to give Brodin a copy of the video.

In a motion filed this morning, Brodin calls the Don Carlos objections “gobbledygook.”


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KEYWORDS: plantinfestation; texasgatortroll; waco; wacobikers
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To: House Atreides

I’d like to see the video released as well.


21 posted on 07/07/2015 7:27:55 AM PDT by xone
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To: Texas Fossil

Provided the selector is in auto? Or one that only operates that way?


22 posted on 07/07/2015 7:30:08 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
-- See 14 bonehead, they aren't machine guns. --

I did see 14. I didn't see the word "machine" or "machinegun" in the thread it links to, so other than the general proposition that people abuse language, it's not useful to define "machine gun" or "machinegun."

-- SOme people don't know better, should one who does agree with them to make them feel better? --

I'm indifferent on that point. Personally not a big fan of making feel better, and I too am prone to point out misuse of words.

26 U.S.C. S: 5845(b)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:

Not saying that's a technically correct definition, heck a hand grenade is a weapon of mass destruction under US Code. Just saying that the definition of machine gun is not agreed on, and I figured using more precise description (full automatic suppressed rifle) while avoiding the term "machinegun" couldn't hurt.

Man, was I wrong!

23 posted on 07/07/2015 7:33:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mountainlion
How did so many feds get to the gunfight long before it started?

Who else besides the 1%er blogger says the feds were there before it started?

24 posted on 07/07/2015 7:36:29 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: don-o

This is fun to watch. Broden appears to be a good criminal defense lawyer.

Here is the Don Carlos lawsuit:

http://conservative-headlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Don-Carlos-Lawsuit.pdf

Here is Broden’s response to the motion to quash

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/QuashDonCarlos+response.pdf

Broden takes some shots at Houston attorney Tony Buzbee and his defense of Rick Perry in the motion. That might not be a good idea, Tony is smarter than Broden, Tony is smarter than everybody. If they ever meet in court, which I doubt will ever happen, get the popcorn out.

Putting the civil stuff aside, this “biker” criminal case stinks. Crazy number of people arrested and insane mounts for bail. No due process. The rights of a lot of people have been trampled on. Habeas corpus is nowhere to be found. I cannot believe this has happened in Texas.


25 posted on 07/07/2015 7:40:42 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Trump? Why not?)
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To: don-o; Cboldt
This statement was made by Don Carlo's counsel Tony Buzbee on May 21: ...officers used the patio and portions of the Don Carlos building for cover during the melee.. The thousands of rounds quote seems to have come from a blog based on that statement. Note that officers using Don Carlo's property for cover does not square with the Waco PD's description of the event.
26 posted on 07/07/2015 7:40:51 AM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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To: Prolixus; don-o; Cboldt
The thousands of rounds quote does come from the Don Carlos v. Twin Peaks lawsuit.
27 posted on 07/07/2015 7:55:11 AM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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To: don-o

Some of the responses are doozie’s this time.

I think it’s Bush’s fault. Which Bush? Pick one.


28 posted on 07/07/2015 7:55:31 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: isthisnickcool
That might not be a good idea, Tony is smarter than Broden, Tony is smarter than everybody.

First, thank you for finding those links.

So if Tony is all that...do you believe him speaking factually (as his factual statement says), when he declares that "thousands of bullet rounds were fired...."

That claim always sounded like hyperbole to me.

29 posted on 07/07/2015 8:04:07 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

Remember, this is the motorcycle gang propaganda website that started the nutter-right echo chamber meme that all nine dead bikers were killed by head shots in the parking lot by a phalanx of police wielding fully automatic machine guns.


30 posted on 07/07/2015 8:17:43 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: mac_truck
Who else besides the 1%er blogger says the feds were there before it started?

There are a couple police releases that if you reed between the lines it shows they were already there.

31 posted on 07/07/2015 8:22:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: catnipman

Do you believe the cops fired 12 rounds and missed every time?


32 posted on 07/07/2015 8:28:36 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Texas Fossil

TexasFossil, you’re being trolled. Being hyper nit-pickey about the definition of a particular word is absolutely classic troll behavior. Such tactics are used to side-track discussion away from points that they do not want to be discussed.


34 posted on 07/07/2015 8:55:48 AM PDT by zeugma (The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun)
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To: don-o
Do you believe the cops fired 12 rounds and missed every time?

Judging from past performance, that's actually possible! LOL.

35 posted on 07/07/2015 8:58:06 AM PDT by zeugma (The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun)
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To: zeugma
absolutely classic troll behavior.

One could complete a Masters thesis on The Internet Troll - Disinformation, Distortion and Deflection just from the Waco threads.

36 posted on 07/07/2015 9:08:49 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o
-- do you believe him speaking factually (as his factual statement says), when he declares that "thousands of bullet rounds were fired...." --

The rhetoric in a civil complaint is usually wrong on some points. He's not obliged to avoid hyperbole. The civil complaint is "notice" to the defendant, and has to state a claim that a court will recognize and enforce, if plaintiff can produce evidence of the relevant facts.

The number of rounds fired is totally irrelevant to his client's legal claim.

37 posted on 07/07/2015 9:16:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Finny

“You are too dumb to be a cat. Call yourself gator-nip man, please, as gators have all the intelligence of a door knob”

Name-calling! What brilliant repartee! Exactly like the “Progressives” who discourse on salon, slate, democratic underground!


38 posted on 07/07/2015 9:22:17 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: zeugma
Being hyper nit-pickey about the definition of a particular word is absolutely classic troll behavior.

And using words like libs do is classic lib behavior.

39 posted on 07/07/2015 9:22:28 AM PDT by xone
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To: catnipman
Name-calling! What brilliant repartee! Exactly like the “Progressives” who discourse on salon, slate, democratic underground!

It is YOU who took the conversation there in disparaging the source that I posted.

So are you cool with cookie cutter probable cause affidavits and $1,000,000 bonds?

40 posted on 07/07/2015 9:31:48 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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