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MO: Would you Shoot a Suspect who Claimed to have a Gun?
Gun Watch ^ | 14 June, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/15/2015 7:10:11 AM PDT by marktwain


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Would you shoot a suspect who claims to have a gun?  That is the decision that Pharmacist Pete Spallito faced on Tuesday, the 9th of June, in Kansas City, Missouri.   In the video, Spallito is confronted with a masked woman who demands all the Oxycontin in the store.   She said that she had a gun in the bag that she was carrying, and placed the bag on the counter.   From kctv5.com:

Pete Spalitto described Tuesday's events to KCTV5. He said that after the woman confronted his employee that the employee turned to him. The woman then demanded OxyContin from him.

He headed to the counter where he had his .45-caliber gun tucked away.

"I pointed it at her. I come into a good position behind the counter. I pointed it at her head," Spalitto recalled. "She says, 'I've got a gun in this bag.' I said, 'I've got a gun too.'"

The woman decided her best course of action was to flee and headed for a maroon-colored SUV with temporary tags. Spalitto gave pursuit until his hamstring had other ideas and he had to pull up. He is disappointed that he didn't catch her.


Pete Spallito decided not to shoot. If he had, he probably would have been justified. He could not know that the gun that the woman had in the bag was made of plastic, and could not fire.




This screen shot from a previous robbery attempt at another pharmacy shows what appears to be the same suspect and a bag she is using.

In the video, it is understandable why Pete chose to take the chance not to shoot. The woman is hesitant or unable to shoot as the Pharmacist move around behind the counter, retrieves a .45, and points it at her. Later, Pete shows a reporter that he has a Ruger LCP .380 as a backup gun.


 

The pharmacy where Pete works is independently owned. From the story:
He said he feels sorry for the employees of pharmacies owned by big chains who aren't allowed to carry a weapon.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you're selling drugs in this day and age you should have a gun on you," he said.



Would you shoot if a suspect claims to have a gun? It depends on the totality of the circumstances. There are risks in not shooting, but there are risks and costs involved in shooting, as well.



Pete Spallito believes that he made the right choice. He regrets that he did not catch the suspect, and he pulled a hamstring while chasing her.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; missouri; mo; pharmacy; selfdefense
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It depends on the totality of the circumstances. Just because you are justified, does not mean that shooting is the best option.
1 posted on 06/15/2015 7:10:11 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No.


2 posted on 06/15/2015 7:12:35 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: marktwain
Can't tell 100% from the picture but it looks like her hand is in the bag. In which case I would've shot her

If she didn't have her hand in the bag, the second she made a move to do so, I would've shot her.

3 posted on 06/15/2015 7:13:15 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: kinsman redeemer

My answer:

Maybe.

And I won’t (can’t) make the final decision unless I’m actually in that situation.


4 posted on 06/15/2015 7:14:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: marktwain

Perhaps next time she will shoot, then grab the Oxy.


5 posted on 06/15/2015 7:15:48 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: marktwain

BTW, thanks for posting these. I find them interesting and informative.


6 posted on 06/15/2015 7:16:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain

He saved his employer a potential civil rights lawsuit.

Other than that, I don’t see much upside to this story.

(She lives on to terrorize another pharmacy)


7 posted on 06/15/2015 7:18:43 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: Texas Eagle

I hope I never have to find out what I would do as I’m usually armed when I’m out and about.

I think I would probably shoot if I thought I were actually being threatened, but I hope I don’t ever have to make that decision.


8 posted on 06/15/2015 7:18:58 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: basil

Yeah. It’s easy for me to talk big from the comfort of my own living room. If I ever face that situation myself, there’s no telling what I’d do. I know the adrenaline would be pumping that’s for sure.


9 posted on 06/15/2015 7:23:42 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: marktwain

A dopehead robber, threatening my life or others? With a hidden gun that may or may not exist?

I’d shoot to kill. Without batting an eye.


10 posted on 06/15/2015 7:25:25 AM PDT by greene66
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To: NorthMountain

So many circumstances go into that, mostly having to do with how likely the threat is to be true. In a robbery, the risk is different than if it’s a little kid playing. I’d tend to believe the robber.


11 posted on 06/15/2015 7:28:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: marktwain

It comes down to two words: ability and intent.

Intent was clearly demonstrated.
Ability, not so much.

Therefore, arm yourself and display the weapon but don’t aim at the perp.


12 posted on 06/15/2015 7:29:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: greene66

I’d expect a robber to be sincere about it.


13 posted on 06/15/2015 7:30:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: marktwain

If I am in arms length I will just take the gun ... simple technique


14 posted on 06/15/2015 7:31:11 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Ted Cruz for President ... all others are cheap imitations)
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To: kinsman redeemer

No.

I believe I’d be morally justified if I did so, but I’d have to see the weapon. Even if she did in fact have a gun, odds are you would be crucified because it wasn’t visible. If she had no gun, it’s time to meet your new boyfriend in the big house.


15 posted on 06/15/2015 7:32:56 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't regally there....)
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To: marktwain

Not until you see ‘something’ that could easily be believed to be a gun.


16 posted on 06/15/2015 7:34:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: marktwain

Yes, If I felt my life or great harm was likely to occur and I could not safely get away.


17 posted on 06/15/2015 7:34:26 AM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: marktwain

The pharmacist acted appropriately. He’s safe. His employees are safe. He doesn’t have taking a human life on his conscience, which even if justified has to be hard to live with.


18 posted on 06/15/2015 7:40:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: greene66

“I’d shoot to kill. Without batting an eye.”

Same here.

Dopers can’t be trusted to make idle threats when they want their dope.

When a doper wants their dope they will do whatever they have to do to get it.


19 posted on 06/15/2015 7:41:09 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: moehoward

The problem is handguns can be fired from within bags like the one she uses.

Or in jacket pockets.

It will always be a judgment call, but he would not have been wrong to fire in this instance, IMO.


20 posted on 06/15/2015 7:41:14 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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