Exposing The First Birther [Who was the first person to say that Obama was born in Kenya?]

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Exposing The First Birther

Posted on January 17, 2015 by stevengoddard

Birthers are evil people who say that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. The first birther was almost certainly Barack Obama.

From 1991 to 2007, his literary agents promoted him as being born in Kenya. The only plausible place they could have gotten his bio from is from Barack Obama himself. There was no Internet in 1991. When someone wants a bio, they say “write a short paragraph about yourself.” It is implausible that his bio came from anyone else, or that his agents would have wasted time trying to pull together information about some recently graduated college kid’s birthplace and background.

Miriam Goderich of Acton & Dystel says that she didn’t do adequate fact checking, but she never said whose facts it was she was checking.

So why would Obama lie about his birthplace? If you ask that question, progressives call you a birther. (Queue in the usual progressive scumbags.)

1991

Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii’

2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

2007

http://web.archive.org/web/20070403190001

[cynwoody]

Your link does refer to a makeshift ‘room’ outside the Dunham’s bedroom [isn’t that space more typically referred to as the ‘hall’?] but it also says that neither Ann nor the ‘infant’ ever lived there.

So what?

Highly selective quoting there, Cynwoody. Your link proves my point, not yours.

Do explain why. What's my point? What's your point? If you're going to troll, you'd better get your ass in gear!

Why are you so invested in defending Obama’s version of his nativity, anyway?

What's Obama's version? That his mama married an alcoholic bigamist? That they never lived together? That, when he was three weeks old, his mama felt compelled to haul him across a few thousand miles of water to get away from the father of his dreams? That's Obama's version? I've watched his 2004 keynote a few times, and I don't recall those facts being trotted out.

If that's what happened, that's what happened. Whether it fits your narrative or not!

Besides, we have a couple of well-known, outed Obot trolls [one a retread] working hard to prop up Obama’s lies.

Kindly name the trolls and the retread and explain how they are propping up Obama's lies.

Is it really necessary for conservatives to pitch in and help them?

Conservatives stand with the truth, no matter who's interest is helped or harmed.

& btw, what was the point of even mentioning this ‘makeshift room,’ if neither Stanley Ann nor the baby ever lived there? The same source that claims a ‘room’ existed outside the parents’ room also notes that Stanley Ann never lived in it. So why bring it up at all?

Why don't you ask David Maraniss?

[cynwoody]

It's likely the most important event in little Barry's life took place in BHO's apartment at 1482 Alencastre Street, overlooking the campus.

BHO Senior's ambition was to be a big fish in a little pond (Kenya).

Consider how it might have worked out if instead he'd decided to bed down with Stanley Ann for real, become a citizen, and work on the American dream.

E.g., they might have purchased 1482 Alencastre dirt cheap in the sixties or early seventies, whenever they'd scraped together enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_otkkYQpAM

[Brown Deer]

and her stepmother was only 5 years older...

SALISBURY - Norma Rene Thompson Pratt, 67, of Salisbury, went to be with the Lord on Saturday, Dec 25, 2010, surrounded by her family.Born Feb 27, 1943, in Rowan County, she was the daughter of Edith Booth Thompson and the late Rene Conan Thompson of Spencer. She graduated from North Rowan High School in 1961 and attended Wingate University. Norma moved to Hawaii in 1968 and worked for the VA at Hickam Air Force Base in Honolulu for several years. She married Bob Pratt and moved to Kailua-Kona on the big island of Hawaii. They owned and operated several furniture stores, where she also did interior design. Norma was also a Realtor for Century21 in Hawaii. She was one of the founding and devoted members of Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity in Kailua-Kona. She was preceded in death by her father, Rene Thompson, and former husband Robert Pratt. Survivors include her mother, Edith Thompson of Spencer; stepdaughter Cindy Holtz and stepson Bobby; four grandchildren of Kona, Hawaii; sister Debbie Barnhardt Basinger of Salisbury; brothers Conan Thompson and wife Georgette of Salisbury; and Ronald Thompson and wife Dee Ann of Faith. Service and Visitation: The funeral service will be held Wednesday Dec. 29 at 11 a.m. at Rowan Memorial Park Mausoleum in Salisbury with the Rev. Dr. Rick Cockerham presiding. Following the service, the family will receive friends and family at the home of her mother, 711 Fifth St., Spencer. Memorials: Can be made to the Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity, 77-165 Lako St., Kailua Kona, HI 96740-2266.

-— Salisbury Post, Dec 29, 2010

[Brown Deer]

That his mama married an alcoholic bigamist?

She was never married to Barack Obama. No marriage certificate exists.

What's Obama's version?

That he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.

[Fantasywriter]

My point is why did you even reference the ‘make shift’ room? It’s a useless, meaningless reference. Why did you even point it out?

There is no factual evidence that Stanley Ann was in HI during her pregnancy. A useless, unsourced [by Maraniss], unexplained reference to a ‘make shift’ room that it’s not clear Stanley Ann *ever* occupied does not establish her presence.

[Fantasywriter]

‘The facts show that he is a red-diaper baby born in Honolulu to Stanley Ann “Anarchist Annie” Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, a visitor from Kenya with African nationalist ambitions, who was studying at the U of Hawaii on a student visa.’

To put a finer point on it, what ‘facts’ show that Obama was born in Honolulu?

& no, a purported ‘make-shift room’ in a house where neither Stanley Ann nor her baby ever lived is not a ‘fact.’

Also, don’t bother quoting anything from Dreams from My Father. The book is a pack of lies. What I’d like to know is how you, Cynwoody, have determined that a pathological liar has, in this one case, told the truth when he claimed (after having earlier claimed otherwise) to have been born in Honolulu. You refer to multiple ‘facts’ that substantiate this particular claim of the pathological liar. Just what are those facts?

[DiogenesLamp]

I’m not talkng about opinions, I’m discussing documentary evidence that is admissible under the Federal Rules of Evidence.

And as usual, I am pointing out that even though the great and lofty "Federal Rules of Evidence" say it's good, it doesn't actually PROVE ANYTHING FACTUAL.

You see, this is the difference between a procedure bound institution and a clear thinker.

Both Honolulu newspapers have confirmed that they did not accept birth notices from family members or friends, only directly from the Health Bureau. That’s why the section of the newspaper was called “Health Bureau Statistics.”

And as has been pointed out innumerable times, if Grandma filed the paperwork, then the Health Bureau generated the newspaper announcements automatically.

The burden of proof for all of your “coulds” lies with the challengers. Over seven years of trying they have not been able to meet that burden.

Procedure bound dinosaurs will be procedure bound dinosaurs. I hear Galileo (who was ACTUALLY RIGHT) had a hard time convincing authorities too.

How would one go about confirming a home birth fifty four years later when the name and signature of an attending physician at Kapi’olani Hospital is on the birth certificate, signed on August 8, 1961?

And as has been pointed out before, the Hawaiian procedures allow for an examination of the child for up to a year after birth, and whatever physician examines that child will be listed as the doctor signing the birth certificate.

You are really just blatantly ignoring all the weirdities and abnormalities of Hawaiian birth certificate law. Everyone that tacitly looks at this just assumes that everything is done according to the normal processes they are familiar with. That Hawaii is really a weird bird when it comes to birth certificates (because they have made a cottage industry out of giving them to foreigners all across the pacific rim for half a century), never enters their mind. They just assume Hawaii is just like all the other states when it is not.

Their laws reflect their needs and desires. Selling American citizenship would be a pretty lucrative effort for them after World War II.

[Fred Nerks]

You are far too much invested in Dreams, try sifting the wheat from the chaff. That family exists only in the work of its author.

[Nero Germanicus]

The operative word in your post is “IF.” I don’t know how anyone would go about proving that Madelyn Dunham submitted any paperwork what is now 54 years later. There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.

Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.

As far as federal law is concerned, the primary evidence that can be produced to confirm citizenship and identity is a U.S. Passport. Birth certificates are considered to be “secondary evidence.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407

[Fantasywriter]

‘Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.’

Omc! Thank you, thank you for this hysterically hilarious comment. I literally can’t stop laughing. What a funny line! You are outdoing yourself this time; are you here all week? Should we try the veal?

You do realize that you are probably the only person in the world who believes this story? Obama has told various versions of it. He’s always alone in a big house and something causes him to look through his mother’s papers. In the first version of the fairytale, Obama finds his original LFBC. In a later version of the same story, he finds a souvenir BC.

Of course no one has ever seen either BC. They are just figments of the Pathological Liar’s diseased brain. But the souvenir story is definitely the funniest. He touts it as his ultimate victory over the birthers.

& you are the only person alive, probably, who believes him. I.e.: who believes in the existence of a piece of paper whose only witness is a pathological liar. You actually believe Obama can triumph over the birthers via a piece of paper no one has ever seen.

You filled your pool with Kool Aid and dove in at the deep end. Nothing else could explain it.

[Fantasywriter]

“There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.”

Well they’re lying. HI confirmed to CNN that Obama’s LFBC had been discarded in 2001 and no longer existed/exists:

‘NEW YORK, July 24 (UPI) — CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” the controversy over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead story.”

Klein wrote in an e-mail to staffers Thursday that CNN researchers had determined Hawaiian officials discarded paper birth documents in 2001. Thus, he said, Obama’s long-form birth certificate no longer exists, and a shorter certificate that is public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote in the e-mail, first reported by the Web site TVNewser. “Since the show’s mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite (sic). And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”’

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/24/CNN-chief-Obama-birth-story-dead/76681248480120/#ixzz3PeQi7pHi

[DiogenesLamp]

The operative word in your post is “IF.”

I agree. There shouldn't be any "If's". The office of the Presidency is too important to tolerate the possibility of an "If." Unfortunately we decided that the "If's" didn't exist and treated everything as if it were known to be valid.

I don’t know how anyone would go about proving that Madelyn Dunham submitted any paperwork what is now 54 years later.

You don't have to prove she did if you can prove she didn't. If there is a hospital record somewhere showing unequivocally that Stanley Ann birthed Barry at that location, *THAT* issue is put to bed. But *IF* Madelyn Dunham did fill out paperwork alleging an "at home" birth, then it should be in the Hawaiian files somewhere. You know, those files that they won't let anyone see and insist everyone should just take their word for it.

There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.

That's what you said. This is what I heard:

Nero Germanicus: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

Now see here, you are again deflecting from the centural point by alluding to the bird's lovely plumage. I have no doubt that a Madelyn Dunham produced birth certificate would have also had a beautiful example of the physician's and registrars signature, but the main issue here is that none of your "proof" contradicts this alternative explanation!

Or as I would say: "The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead."

O: No no! 'E's pining!

C: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!

'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

You ought to cease pointing out the obvious and focus on refuting the central point. That every piece of evidence you present can also be explained by an at home birth certificate created by Madelyn Dunham merely filling out paperwork. None of it establishes his physical presence in Hawaii at the time of his birth.

[DiogenesLamp]

Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.

You've seen this? I haven't seen this. Why didn't you produce it. That would be better evidence than anything put forth so far.

As far as federal law is concerned, the primary evidence that can be produced to confirm citizenship and identity is a U.S. Passport. Birth certificates are considered to be “secondary evidence.”

And yet one is the consequence of the other. See how mixed up is the "Federal law" regarding such things?

[Nero Germanicus]

I am unable to produce a document that is in Barack Obama’s personal possession. Perhaps the Kapi’olani Hospital souvenir certificate will be available for viewing at the Obama Presidential Library?
The story of finding it (twice, once in Honolulu and once in Chicago)) is reported in both 1995’s Dreams From My Father and in 2013’s Double Down: Game Change 2012 by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. There might be pictures of it in that later book but I haven’t read it to know for certain.
Passports are more difficult to counterfeit than birth certificates and they have a higher level of maintenance of the chain of custody. That is why they are primary evidence of citizenship and identity and birth certificates are secondary evidence.

[Fantasywriter]

Your pathetically credulous account is wholly mistaken. In Dreams, Obama *claims* he found his ‘birth certificate.’ In Double Down, he ***claims*** he found a funny little booklet that not even his closest associates had any idea was a ‘birth certificate’ [hint: it wasn’t]:

‘Obama was looking forward to spending the night at his house in Kenwood, on the city’s South Side—the redbrick Georgian Revival pile that he and Michelle and their daughters left behind when they took up residence in the White House. He arrived fairly late, after 10:00 p.m., but then stayed up even later, intrigued by some old boxes that had belonged to his late mother, Ann Dunham.

Dunham had died seven years earlier, but Obama hadn’t sorted through all her things. Now, alone in his old house for just the third night since he’d become president, he started rummaging through the boxes, digging, digging, until suddenly he found it: a small, four-paneled paper booklet the world had never seen before. On the front was an ink drawing of Kapi‘olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, in Honolulu. On the back was a picture of a Hawaiian queen. On one inside page were his name, his mother’s name, and his date of birth; on the other were his infant footprints.

The next morning, Marty Nesbitt came over to have breakfast with Obama. The CEO of an airport parking-lot company, Nesbitt was part of a tiny circle of Chicago friends on whom the president relied to keep him anchored in a reality outside the Washington funhouse. The two men had bonded playing pickup basketball two decades earlier; their relationship was still firmly rooted in sports, talking smack, and all around regular-guyness. After chatting for a while at the kitchen table, Obama went upstairs and came back down, wearing a cat-who-ate-a-whole-flock-of-canaries grin, waving the booklet in the air, and then placing it in front of Nesbitt.

“Now, that’s some funny shit,” Nesbitt said, and burst out laughing.

Clambering into his heavily armored SUV, Obama headed back north to the InterContinental hotel, where he had an interview scheduled with the Associated Press. He pulled aside his senior adviser David Plouffe and press secretary Jay Carney, and eagerly showed them his discovery.

Plouffe studied the thing, befuddled and wary: Is that the birth certificate? he thought.

Carney was bewildered, too, but excited: This is the birth certificate? Awesome.

Obama didn’t know what to think, but he flew back to Washington hoping that maybe, just maybe, he now had a stake to drive through the heart of birtherism, killing it once and for all—and slaying Trump in the bargain. Striding into a meeting with his senior advisers in the Oval Office the next Monday morning, he reached into his suit pocket and whipped out the booklet, infinitely pleased with himself.

“Hey,” Obama announced, “look what I found when I was out there!”

From DOUBLE DOWN: Game Change 2012, by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. Reprinted by arrangement of Penguin Press, a member of Penguin Random House LLC (USA). Copyright (c) 2013 by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann.’

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/excerpt-double-down

PS: Anybody who believes the idiotic Double Down story is just sad...really sad. (Plus what normal person can read the hero-worshipping crud-writing in Double Down and not throw up?)

[Fantasywriter]

You know that both Obama’s fairytale stories are false because (1) no one has ever seen the regular/normal birth certificate he claims to have found in the Dreams tale, and (2) the wacky little booklet that (purportedly) confused everyone who saw it has never been seen or shown publicly. No photo/pic of it exists.

The story itself is unbelievable. It’s just a recurring, ever-changing yarn Obama spins about being alone in a house and finding proof of his birth. It’s more an indication of his psychological/emotional issues than a plausible scenario.

[Fantasywriter]

One more thing. Reread the following passage:

‘The next morning, Marty Nesbitt came over to have breakfast with Obama. The CEO of an airport parking-lot company, Nesbitt was part of a tiny circle of Chicago friends on whom the president relied to keep him anchored in a reality outside the Washington funhouse. The two men had bonded playing pickup basketball two decades earlier; their relationship was still firmly rooted in sports, talking smack, and all around regular-guyness.’

How creepily bizarre is that? Can you imagine any writer going on in such a weird manner about one of Bush’s male friends? Of course not; the creepiness would explode off the page, if they did.

In this case, it’s as if the writers are acknowledging the elephant in the room. Namely, rumors and other indications of Obama’s bisexuality at best and homosexuality at worst. So they go on and on in a skin-crawly strange way about how this man who comes over to Obama’s for breakfast is just there to ‘talk smack’ and be all about ‘regular gayness.’

The attempt fails. All that comes through is the writers’ hyper-sensitivity about Obama and male-relationships. The two of them knew a lot more about Obama and guys than they included in their suck-up book. But you get a strong hint of it from this passage...and it’s not pretty.

[cynwoody]

The story itself is unbelievable. It’s just a recurring, ever-changing yarn Obama spins about being alone in a house and finding proof of his birth. It’s more an indication of his psychological/emotional issues than a plausible scenario.

Actually, it's quite believable. Most folks have seen the type of souvenir cited. It would be more normal for Obama to have one that not.

So, obviously, he should scan in his mother's "commemorative keepsake" and post a PDF of it on whitehouse.gov. Who knows how many layers the PDF would end up with? (Hint: the more the better.)

I recommend he use a Canon scanner. Those definitely come with layer-happy software! I know because I have one. If you page rapidly through a PDF produced by it, you can actually see the layers being assembled on your monitor as each new page comes up. It's a great way to turn a genuine document into an apparent forgery!

Such would for sure be a good move if he were able to run again, since it would have the outraged birfers foaming their spittle and the normal people watching them aghast. Since there are far more normal people, that would be a net benefit.

[Fantasywriter]

Show me one quote from any of the many people Obama claims to have shown the booklet to who acknowledge having seen it.

Also answer this simple question. It concerns the following quote:

“Obama didn’t know what to think, but he flew back to Washington hoping that maybe, just maybe, he now had a stake to drive through the heart of birtherism, killing it once and for all—and slaying Trump in the bargain.”

Here’s the question. How can a booklet no one has ever admitted to seeing [unless you have a link showing otherwise] and which has never been made public, ‘drive a stake through the heart of birtherism’?

Obama’s magical thinking is pathological and very sick. Now he’s got you doing it too.

[cynwoody]

You are far too much invested in Dreams

Kindly cite evidence of my "investment" in Dreams.

If anything, the evidence I was citing refutes Dreams. Dreams is worthy of study not because it is true but because it is a key part of Obama's "legend" (in the tradecraft sense).

That family exists only in the work of its author.

That is true. But the birfers are annoyed not because the evidence refutes Dreams, but because it fails to refute the HDoH.