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1 posted on 07/25/2014 6:23:09 AM PDT by LeoMcNeil
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Not one black church will be monitored. Not one.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 6:24:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Technically it is illegal for tax exempt non-profits to engage in political activities, presumably this includes commenting on politics from the pulpit.

Ah. This would explain why The REVEREND Al Sharpton and The REVEREND Jesse Jackson never invite anyone to attend their services.

No church, no pulpit, no problem.

3 posted on 07/25/2014 6:25:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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The IRS recently settled a case against it brought by the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

The IRS recently settled a case against it brought by the Freedom From Religion Foundation (ISUS).

There. Fixed it.

4 posted on 07/25/2014 6:28:46 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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My Pastor will continue to observe Pulpit Freedom Sunday.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 6:29:40 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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Uh, the Freedom From Religion junkies are already free from religion.

Nobody is compelling them by threat of force to attend any sermons that may offend their delicate sensibilites.

What they are doing is VIOLATING THE FIRST AMENDMENT by siccing a GOVERNMENT AGENCY on churches that exhibit FREE SPEECH with political content during the FREE EXERCISE of their religion.

Let’s try this again, shall we?

CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF

What is so bloody hard to understand about that? How much plainer can it be?

And what about the bloody MoHamHeads that preach several times a week from their pulpits to promote the extermination of the Jews and murder, rape, subjugation and enslavement of the “kaffir” (non-Muzzloid)?


8 posted on 07/25/2014 6:32:51 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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The phrase “Separation of Church and State” came from a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists where the Baptists were concerned the state would interfere with their worship of God. Jefferson re-assured them that there was a separation of church and state and that government would never interfere.

Fast forward 238 years and the meaning now means the opposite of what it did back then.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 6:34:31 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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Technically it is illegal for tax exempt non-profits to engage in political activities, presumably this includes commenting on politics from the pulpit. To date there isn’t a single case of IRS enforcement since the ban was created in 1954.

Technically Americans don't lose their First Amendment rights... ever.

12 posted on 07/25/2014 6:34:51 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Interesting. Politics and “religion” are sometimes one in the same.

How, for instance, does a pastor talk about the coming anti-Christ and one-world government, and persecution of Christians and Jews without mentioning the current administration?


13 posted on 07/25/2014 6:35:01 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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The IRS begged for the lawsuit. So it could “settle”.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 6:35:48 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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As for the church, it shouldn’t ruin the Lord’s Day with silly gimmicks like Pulpit Freedom Sunday.

Amen, bro. EVERY Sunday should be Pulpit Freedom Sunday.

In fact, it already is. It's enshrined in our Constitution. Congress shall pass no law establishing a religion nor prohibiting one.

IRS law does not supercede The Constitution.

ObamaDon'tCare notwithstanding.

15 posted on 07/25/2014 6:36:32 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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There's no law that they can't be political.

The law is that the government can't run their show, i.e., establish a religion. This is a good example....They're making up church rules.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 6:37:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Abolish the IRS.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 6:39:40 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Churches do not require 501c3 status. They are automatically exempted from taxation on formation. The reason churches incorporate under this statute is to limit liability for the leadership.

The 501c3 regulations bring the church under IRS jurisdiction and the rules are invasive.

There is no reason a church should incorporate. Church leaders should be prepared to take full personal responsibility and defend their churches from the state. Churches were the original town halls and true church leaders would never have sold their souls for government pottage.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 6:43:42 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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How nice of them. I guess they’ve hired too many new public servants who really have nothing better to do.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 6:50:58 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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Of interest relative to this thread:

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-The-American-Church-Was-Bought-Off-In-American-Politics-In-1954&id=7205380


23 posted on 07/25/2014 6:51:39 AM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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I know of one church that will not be monitored by the IRS.
29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:04:23 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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IRS agents could use a little time listening to the word of God. P.S. How many Mosques are going to be monitored for hate speech?
35 posted on 07/25/2014 7:18:43 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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The IRS publicly admitted in 2012 they don’t have the right to remove tax exemptions for political speech. The only people who believe they do are the liberal pastors of conservative congregations.


36 posted on 07/25/2014 7:28:31 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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"Go to any inner city and you can bet you’ll see candidates endorsed at major black churches. The same is true in conservative churches."

I disagree with this glib assumption. I think most activist victim-minority churches will indeed endorse a candidate; but conservatives believe in work and accountability, personal responsibility and the rule of law. They are greatly less likely to risk their churches' tax-exempt standing by breaking a well-understood law.


"The... Democrats need church involvement in... political activities just as much as Republicans. They aren’t going to risk a Constitutional challenge to the law.... the government isn’t going to enforce a law that both parties understand is unconstitutional."

Again, hopelessly naive. This author has never heard of the concept "selective enforcement."

38 posted on 07/25/2014 7:38:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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This seems to be a moot point because as far as I know, there has never been a church lose it's tax status over politics,....never! If I'm not mistaken, David Barton has a website that asks pastors to preach on politics on purpose, and then send the sermon to some official and goad them into investigating them. The organization will provide any legal defense they might incur, but it hasn't been used yet.

I myself have given a message on Lev 18: 22 to make the point that if we approve sodomy in America, the LAND will be defiled and vomit us out, and God told the Jews if they allowed it, they would lose the land God gave them. Romans 1:32 tells us that we are guilty of sin if we approve of the sin even though we didn't commit the sin. I thought it might make the pastor nervous, but apparently he had no problem with it. Our whole revolution was preached from the early American church and many pastors fought in the war. To make some subjects off limits is to limit God and I don't think you can do that. I would welcome an investigation because it would inevitably be stopped by the courts.

It would also be a nightmare for Islam. Can you imagine a Christian church getting sanctioned for preaching against abortion and sodomy, and a Mosque getting away with preaching the assault on women, or the stoning of sinners? How about the overthrow of the government? Installing Sharia Law? Is Islam more "tolerant" of sodomy?

If it's in the book, it's in the book and I will preach on it.

40 posted on 07/25/2014 8:15:17 AM PDT by chuckles
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