Yeshua’s Famous Last Words Amen, Emet, Truth

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As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.

[RansomOttawa]

Sorry, not interested anymore. You shot your credibility bolt ages ago.

[af_vet_1981]

2 Peter 1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

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Jesus and Beelzebul

Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

“Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

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Find. Us. An. Earlier. Hebrew. Manuscript.

We don't have to, you've been shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the first texts where Hebrew. Let's review:

The Hebrews despised anything Greek and would not have allowed Greek texts inside their Holly places.

We have witness testimony that the original texts were indeed written in the Hebrew as listed upstream.

Thousands and thousands of Hebrew texts (likely many original Hebrew texts) were burned by the church, as evidenced by E-S above.

After the crucifixion, common sense would dictate the Pharisees would launch a campaign to destroy any written record of Yeshua's teachings.

Basing your theory on a few fragments of Greek texts, that everything documented was documented ONLY in the Greek language, is a ludicrous assumption.

[RansomOttawa]

We don't have to, you've been shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the first texts where Hebrew. Let's review:

The Hebrews despised anything Greek and would not have allowed Greek texts inside their Holly places.

This is not evidence, it is a supposition.

We have witness testimony that the original texts were indeed written in the Hebrew as listed upstream.

People like Eusebius and Papias were writing centuries after the fact, and are not "witnesses" to any Hebrew autographs.

Thousands and thousands of Hebrew texts (likely many original Hebrew texts) were burned by the church, as evidenced by E-S above.

Since this "proof" defies proof, by definition, it, too, is mere supposition.

After the crucifixion, common sense would dictate the Pharisees would launch a campaign to destroy any written record of Yeshua's teachings.

Ditto.

Basing your theory on a few fragments of Greek texts, that everything documented was documented ONLY in the Greek language, is a ludicrous assumption.

There are not, of course, a "few fragments," but thousands, in whole or in part, discovered all over the known world. The Greek New Testament is better attested by at least an order of magnitude than any other ancient work.

A hypothetical original Hebrew New Testament, on the other hand, is attested by nothing but assumptions and suppositions by people who clearly have no clue about the science of textual criticism.

[editor-surveyor]

You mean never were interested.

You have a Big Fat Greek Babylonian agenda.

Read Revelation 17 for your fortune cookie.

Hear the dust fall from sandals now, and Matthew 7:23 later.
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[editor-surveyor]

Leave him to his Great Big Fat Greek agenda.
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A hypothetical original Hebrew
New Testament, on the other
hand, is attested by nothing but
assumptions and suppositions by
people who clearly have no clue
about the science of textual criticism.

I think you're right E-S:

"[Some] Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be"

Time to shake of the dust for sure...

[af_vet_1981]

Is it your position that those in this thread that disagree with you are speaking against the Holy Spirit ?

At any rate, I find it plausible that there were Hebrew versions of the NT books, some of them original. It interesting but we have inherited a history where almost the entire world has been usings translations based on the Greek text. God has allowed the other manuscripts to be lost, destroyed, or forgotten, or hidden perhaps. It is interesting to ponder how a translation could be improved or corrected, and perhaps edifying and enlightening. It is hardly reasonable to insist on any doctrinal change without the manuscripts and, even so, uncharted territory to assert that the Gospel has not been preserved in an unbroken chain from the Jewish Apostles. We must be very cautious, as there have been so many denominations, sects, cults, and heresies that have arisen over the centuries.

Galations 1

1. Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2. And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4. Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5. To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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Is it your position that those in this thread that disagree with you are speaking against the Holy Spirit ?

With all due respect padre, it isn't just this thread. Here is another that needs your quotes more than this one, and if that one isn't enough, there are many, many more - especially in "Religion".

Don't put all of this on the Almighty (i.e., God has allowed... ). Man is self-determinant as the Almighty made us.

We must be very cautious, as there have been so many denominations, sects, cults, and heresies that have arisen over the centuries.

I contend... Examining our Hebrew Roots with the greatest detail from Genesis to Revelation, is only dangerous to the many denominations, sects, cults, and heresies "that have" arisen over the centuries, Sir...

[af_vet_1981]

With all due respect padre, it isn't just this thread. Here is another that needs your quotes more than this one, and if that one isn't enough, there are many, many more - especially in "Religion".

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Don't put all of this on the Almighty (i.e., God has allowed... ). Man is self-determinant as the Almighty made us.

Eschatology and Church History is His Story. Acts 1:6-8

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

I contend... Examining our Hebrew Roots with the greatest detail from Genesis to Revelation, is only dangerous to the many denominations, sects, cults, and heresies "that have" arisen over the centuries, Sir...

Phillipians 4:8-9

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

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For some strange reason, you remind me of that kindly old gentlemen in the book of Jasher who came upon Sarah and told her Isaac had been slain.

I think we're done...

[editor-surveyor]

He’s workin’ hard for his daddy!
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[editor-surveyor]

This is what they all are trying to protect:

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[af_vet_1981]

perhaps not, There are objections
1. The quote in question nowhere shows up in Eusebius, or any other early Church father for that matter. - See more at: http://americanvision.org/1903/was-eusebius-liar/#sthash.JDBRaSxB.dpuf
2. So where did this quote originate? Skeptics claim Leo said this to a member of his entourage who later attributed the quote to him. However, the quote has now been attributed to the 16th century satirist and playwright, John Bale. John Bale joined the Protestant movement after becoming disenchanted with the corruption of the Catholic church. He wrote many parodies in which he openly expressed his disdain of papal abuse. One of his satirical works known as The Pageant of the Popes is the actual source of the quote in question (paraphrased in modern English for the reader's convenience): "For on a time when a cardinal Bembus did move a question out of the Gospel, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testify enough how profitable that fable of Christ hath been to us and our company." (Pageant of the Popes Page 179) CONCLUSION: This quote is from a fictional 16th century work written as a parody. Presenting this as a legitimate quote would be as absurd as attributing a line from a Shakespearian play to the real life character whom an actor depicted.

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I see why the Almighty uses the term “whore”.

[editor-surveyor]

And her daughters in training...

[editor-surveyor]

Matters little.

The realities at the Vatican are far worse than those measly quotes.