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To: Gene Eric

Their party’s platform is the only honest thing about libertarians, it is where the rubber meets the road, and it all reflects true libertarianism.

Abortion is fundamental to libertarianism, as is homsexualizing the military and gay marriage, porn, and so on, it is why abortion remains in the platform, and why libertarian influence in the GOP is leading to a pro-abortion position, such as we saw in 2012.


23 posted on 02/05/2013 4:06:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Libertarianism is essentially the sole belief in liberty alone. It dictates that society can function as long as there is full liberty, regardless of any other factor. Libertarianism worked in the days of the Founders, because people were generally more moral (excluding the obvious issue of slavery). The Founders would have been horrified by the idea of murdering a child, or two men getting married. There was no need to legislate against such things because nobody who wasn’t crazy engaged in those acts. It was just unacceptable. The government didn’t need to protect the institution of marriage, because it was safely guarded (for the most part) by human decency. Society has changed (thanks in part to mass media), and conservatism is really a reactionary movement, aimed at restoring not only liberty (which is essential to society), but also morality (which is the other half of the equation.)

This is why I am a conservative. Society is at its best when man has both the freedom to do what is desired, but the morality to do what is right. It’s a check and balance of the human soul, if you will. Liberals complain that we want cameras in bedrooms and such. I don’t want cameras in bedroom, but I do want prayer in school. Maybe then the youth of this country would be a little less degenerate, but no, Heaven forbid you bring religion into education!

And for the record, this picture is horrific. It is like some scene from a nightmare. How any sane country could be part of an organization with China on the Human Rights Council is beyond me. Sickening.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 4:25:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: ansel12
Sometimes it helps to have definitions:

definition: an exact statement or description of the nature, scope, or meaning of something.

libertarianism: an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

statism: a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.

liberalism: a political orientation that favors social progress by reform and by changing laws rather than by revolution

conservatism: a political or theological orientation advocating the preservation of the best in society and opposing radical changes

If you don't accept these definitions, then there's no point continuing the discussion. But assuming you do...

The Libertarian Party represents libertarianism as well as the Republican Party represents conservatism.

The Life issue is differentiated by conservatism and liberalism, not libertarianism and statism. Libertarianism and statism differentiate enforcement, not morality.

Many self-described Conservatives are in actuality Conservative-statists as they prefer the assistance of govt enforced morality. I'd rather have less govt enforcement where the issues are resolved at the local level.

It's the enforcement factor of statism that is responsible for the decay of traditional values as the Conservative-statists are currently losing to the Liberal-statists (aka, Leftwing). This has nothing to do with libertarianism as any Libertarianism that results in the enactment of law is generally not libertarianism.

For the record, I prefer Conservative-statism to Liberal-statism, but prefer Conservative-libertarianism above all.


35 posted on 02/05/2013 4:59:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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