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Tom Hoefling: Obama usurpation and dereliction merit immediate impeachment and removal
America's Party News ^ | June 17, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 06/17/2012 3:06:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

"This is how great republics die"

"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?"

-- George Washington

The Constitution of the United States, which all officers of government, in every branch, must swear to support, is crystal clear that Congress has the exclusive constitutional grant of power to establish immigration and naturalization standards.

Article 1, Section 8:

"The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..."

Also, the Constitution absolutely requires that the United States protect each of the States from Invasion.

Article 4, Section 4:

"The United States...shall protect each of them [the States] against Invasion..."

Barack Obama's actions this week in, by executive decree, granting certain classes of illegal invaders of our country a de facto amnesty are an obvious usurpation of that exclusive congressional power, AND they are a gross dereliction of one of the primary imperative duties of the Commander-in-Chief.

If a president were acting to check a lawless law passed by a lawless Congress; in other words, if he was standing firmly against a Congress or Court that had clearly breached their own constitutional limits; I would support actions by the chief executive to stop them. His oath would require that he do so.

But that is obviously not the case here.

I applaud the actions of my congressman, Steve King, in launching a court challenge to this illegitimate Obama policy. The third branch of government, the judiciary, should immediately join with the legislative branch to check the executive's lawlessness.

However, this is a perfect case to illustrate why Congress was also given the impeachment power. If they cared at all for their own oaths to support the Constitution; if they cared about the survival of the rule of law in this country, if they cared for our territorial integrity and sovereignty, they would immediately impeach this usurper and remove him from office at once.

To be frank though, experience tells me that they will not do so. Obama Democrats have no regard for the Constitution or their oaths, and Romney Repubublicans have no principles or spine.

This is how great republics die.


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To: EternalVigilance; Lakeshark

Tom, Lake is a man who for whatever reason has chosed to lie to himself. I do not know what happened to him to make him abandon logic and reason. We fought the PDS wars together and he was as steadfast a supporter of what was right as one could ever find.But on this issue he has self-deluded to the point where he refuses to answer that most basic of questions. “How can a conservative vote for a man with Romney’s record without abandoning his conservativism?”

He retreated into fear and the language of the left rather than face the fact that with out belief in what is right, a man has nothing but what is wrong to comfort him..


101 posted on 06/20/2012 2:16:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lakeshark; BlackElk; Norm Lenhart; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; cva66snipe; Elvina; ...

I do not intend to vote for either Obama or Romney. I will instead vote for the conservative candidate, the Constitution Party candidate, Virgil Goode.

What prevents conservatives from voting for a conservative candidate? Fear. In this case, it’s fear of doing something different, because if conservatives did something different, then it just might not work out.

Those who vote for Goode know the numbers. They know that a conservative candidate could win if conservatives were to stick together and support him.

Therefore, the issue is not that there are, as fearful conservatives continue to say, “only 2 candidates in this race.” No, there are at least 4 at this moment: Johnson, Goode, Romney, Obama.

No, the issue is those conservatives who are voting for a radical liberal and pretending to themselves that he is not a radical liberal. It is not possible to go forward by going backward. The truth is that they lose whether they support Romney or Obama, and the nation suffers with either.

Look at Megan McCain, Lake. She is the future of the GOP-E: A radical, leftist, pro-gay, pro-abortion feminist. And she is young and only just starting.

The issue is that conservatives keep doing the GOP-E thing, and they keep getting the GOP-E result.

It’s sad that they could band together around someone who believes like them, but they instead choose to band together around a liberal, and they castigate those conservatives who stay true to their principles.

“We can’t do something different!” they say. “Why, there’s this AntiChrist in charge, and the sky will fall if we do anything different. So...I know we don’t trust the liberal GOP-E,but.... we’re going to trust the liberal GOP-E.”

You have no vision. I understand you perfectly. I smell.....fear.


102 posted on 06/20/2012 2:39:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; All

“Look at Megan McCain, Lake. She is the future of the GOP-E: A radical, leftist, pro-gay, pro-abortion feminist. And she is young and only just starting.”

Every election since Reagan, the party has gone farther and farther left. The demarcation of what is the political center has likewise moved left with it.

Compared to MR, McCain was a conservative zealot. The GOP has adopted the ‘never let a crisis go to waste’ philosophy of the left. For years they have edged off the conservative platform they themselves wrote. They as a party (shown by the likes/support for the Grahmm/Bhonner Republicans) have long wanted the cheap labor of illegals and any number of decidedly non-conservative outcomes. We have watched them be forced into one political corner after another by a base that sees things opposite of their ‘leadership’.

But now they are in a situation where they have what they believe is the ultimate rationalization as displayed by Lakeshark and others. Either vote for the man who will deliver unto them the things they’ve longed for or be stuck with the evil of Obama. They have used the lib philosophy of the invented crisis (invented as they pushed MR knowing he was unwanted/opposed) to create what is on the surface a catch 22 scenario for the resistive base.

But it isn’t.

The whole strategy rests on our belief in America. If Obama is reelected, it’s gone. Fair enough. But what “IS” America? Is it a place where illegals run free as a serf class for labor? Is it a place where we abandon sovrignity for a globalist worldview? Is it a place where crony is the prefered form of capitalism? Is it a place where we put the rights of gays over hetros and of children? Is it a place where abortion is an a’la carte menu choice at McClinic?

That’s not an America envisioned by the constitution. It’s not an America that has anything in common with the founding fathers. It’s not anything like the America we all grew up in just a few short decades ago.

That’s not America period. And it’s not a bastardization that any person who believes in good, evil right and wrong can honestly vote for.

I will vote for America as it was and should be again. And should enough ‘conservatives’ not take their heads out of their dark place, then so be it. America as it stood is well and truly over. That’s not hyperbole. That’s a by the amendments constitutional fact.


103 posted on 06/20/2012 3:14:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EternalVigilance
I was a very, very active Republican right up until the moment

Pardon me for reminding you, but you have been the head of another party championing Alan Keyes for almost twenty years now.

104 posted on 06/20/2012 5:19:31 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: xzins; Norm Lenhart; BlackElk; SoConPubbie
I get it, "the Dwarves is for the Dwarves" is your official motto.

I did notice how each one of you carefully (deliberately) avoided answering my question........and shan't forget, nor will others who are reading this exchange.

Best of luck to you all, so few Dwarves, 'tis a pity.......

105 posted on 06/20/2012 5:28:45 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

When you get around to the questions I asked, I’ll get to yours. That’s how it works. You don’t get to duck questions and demand answers to your own Lake.

Any other leftist names you’d care to pull out of your newly liberal playbook or is ‘Dwarves” your final word on the subject? Do you not see what you’ve become?


106 posted on 06/20/2012 5:42:51 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lakeshark

You’re making that up.

Whatever.

See ya.


107 posted on 06/20/2012 6:17:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TomHoefling.com)
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To: Lakeshark; Norm Lenhart; BlackElk; SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe

I went back to look at your post, and saw your question again, but I also noticed that you answered it for us. You said that we’d agree that Obama is the worst. When one writes a rhetorical question and then gives the rhetorical answer there is no need to answer the question. The only reason to respond to it would be if the person disagreed with the rhetorical answer. I did not disagree with it, so I didn’t respond to it. Obama is the most socialistic, etc. that you listed.

Who could deny that???

However, just because getting bit by an African Mamba is awful, that doesn’t mean I want to instead get bit by an American Eastern Diamondback.

I’d just as soon not get bit at all.

Obama and Romney are both snakes. Snakes bite.


108 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark; xzins

If you truly answer yes to my question (and all of you do), there is no other action that is sane or right than to get rid of these people.

Spot on. There is no other action that is sane or right than to remove these people from office. Full agreement reached. The part you don't understand is that electing Mitt Romney fails to do that. It is, in fact, begging for more of the same. Instead of getting rid of the problem, you are simply re-branding it.

Which is the pro-abortion party again, democrat or republican? Which is the pro-illegal-immigration party again? Which is the pro-unborn-murder party again? Which is the pro-corporate-bailout party? Which is the pro-crony-capitalist party?

If we follow your lead, we're all democrats now. There is no longer a party of protest. We become what we detest and adopt responsibility for the crimes committed.

I'm not a liberal. I am a God-fearing, gun-loving, small government respecting, Constitutional conservative. Anyone and everyone who feels the same way should have serious reservations about voting for Mitt Romney.

I'll vote for Virgil Goode. If the majority does, he'll win. But either way, my conscious will be clean. I won't have to defend my vote before my Maker. I'll sleep better at night, and having done so, I'll be well rested and more ready to deal with *whichever* baby-killing, gun-grabbing, bailout-providing, amnesty-granting, homosexual-advocating, healthcare-ransoming, stimulus-providing president *you* help to elect.


109 posted on 06/20/2012 6:55:12 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Norm Lenhart
The whole strategy rests on our belief in America. If Obama is reelected, it’s gone. Fair enough. But what “IS” America? Is it a place where illegals run free as a serf class for labor? Is it a place where we abandon sovrignity for a globalist worldview? Is it a place where crony is the prefered form of capitalism? Is it a place where we put the rights of gays over hetros and of children? Is it a place where abortion is an a’la carte menu choice at McClinic?

That is a great paragraph, NL. Awesome! Thanks.

And "McClinic" made me smile.

110 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: so_real; Lakeshark
If we follow your lead, we're all democrats now

Bullseye!

111 posted on 06/20/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Thanks ;)

But that’s what it really what this fiasco comes down to when you take away all the BS. How much of America are people willing to abandon and still try calling the result “America”?

I can play Call of Duty on an XBox till my fingers bleed and kill every opponent I encounter but I’m not a real soldier. I can act in a community production of Oklahoma! and I am not an award winning actor.

And people can geographically live in the confines of the United States, but if we abandon everything that made it what it was, then we are not in America. And I defy ANY ABO, from FreeRepublic to the GOP/MSM to logically explain how we could be.

It’s like believing Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of Al Bundy. One can choose to ‘believe’ that, but it isn’t Christianity.

As Honest Abe once said... “How many legs does a dog have if you consider the tail a leg? Answer? Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it one”.

Likewise, calling the bastardization that the Romney GOP wants for America “America” does not make it so.


112 posted on 06/20/2012 7:16:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins
I love when people write an articulate and reasoned statement demonstrating they do not suffer from BHOhysteria and/or BHOphobia.
113 posted on 06/20/2012 7:44:16 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Lakeshark
I think that your question was some inanity to the effect of which is worse Myth or Obozo?

Lest you have the opportunity to claim that those of us who will not vote for Myth are somehow "afraid" to answer such inane nonsense:

If and ONLY IF you care about Muffie's trust fund and its careful cultivation and protection, Myth might be marginally better but not enough to merit voting for him EVER against ANYONE.

A conservative voting for Myth Romney is what the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called "Defining Deviancy Down."

Personally, I don't give a rat's patoot for spoiled Muffy or her trust fund. I care about REAL issues and Myth is wrong on all of them. He is a useless POS without a shred of principle to his name. He is an enemy of all things and all people who are conservative, an enemy of Western Civilization, an enemy of the innocent unborn, an enemy of marriage, an enemy of the middle class and of working class Americans, an enemy of gun ownership and the RTKBA. He is a man without soul or substance, a fraud, a liar, about as "Republican" as George McGovern.

I trust that answers your silly question.

114 posted on 06/20/2012 10:18:05 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

PDS wars? What does PDS mean? I agree with you n most matters, I just want to know.


115 posted on 06/20/2012 10:24:46 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Lakeshark; SoConPubbie; xzins; Norm Lenhart; Finny; fieldmarshaldj; Windflier; GailA; ...
Lakeshark:

By all means, don't forget. AND I will wager that none of us (the actual conservatives) will EVER let you forget.

BTW, anyone familiar with J. R. R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings Trilogy can tell you, dwarves are actually quite admirable, diligent and moral fellows and therefore stubborn as can be. They are good allies and fearsome enemies and, even more than Sauron, likely to win because of their admirable qualities. Sha'n't let you forget that either.

Each dwarf is worth an infinity of spineless unprincipled Myth mushballs and there are a lot more of us than you imagine. If you elect your useless boy, you can count on the fact that we will seek to destroy him now and forever.

I shall not vote for Obozo or for Myth and I vow to resist the winner until destroyed.

Since you want to use the language and symbols of Tolkien, I think it eminently fair to have a contest as to whether you or some other Myth sycophant is Gollum. Now or later, we shall destroy your "precious."

116 posted on 06/20/2012 10:44:42 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: jonrick46

Your Senate numbers are previous to the 2010 election. Now there are 47 Republicans, 51 Demonrats and 2 Independents (Lieberman and who else?).


117 posted on 06/20/2012 10:51:35 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk; Lakeshark

PDS = “Palin Derangement Syndrome”.

While opinions on Palin and her fitness to hold the big chair vary, there is a huge difference between ‘spirited disagreement’ and the fiasco that was the ‘PDS wars”.

As Palin drew closer to making her decision last year, there were a number of the very same kinds of ‘conservatives’ we see supporting Romney doing everything within their power to further every leftist meme they could get their keyboards on. Everything from attacks on her kids, mocking her for protecting her name and family, you name it, like monkeys in a zoo, they threw as much $h!t at her as they could find. None of it based in reality and all of it character assignation at it’s worst.

In fact it was many of the same people.

There was a good number of us that spent literally thousands of posts fighting back against the BS and it got extremely ugly. One of the most solid ‘defenders’ in those flamewars was Lakeshark. As I said earlier, he was as rock solid a conservative as one could find, posting many factual and logical rebuttals to the liberal ranting.

Which is why I’m so surprised by his current position. It goes flatly against everything he once strongly believed in and fought (hard) for.


118 posted on 06/21/2012 2:33:30 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EternalVigilance
You’re making that up.

Spoken like Slick Willy and most democrats. Amazing, and you actually expect people to vote for you with the kind of prevarication you just pulled with that phrase?

I've spoken with you on this forum many times about your obsession with Alan Keyes as the presidential candidate of your, yes your, old party that supported him for so long.

You never accomplished anything then, and what you are doing now seems to be a rerun of that obsession with you as the candidate.

119 posted on 06/21/2012 5:54:31 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: BlackElk; Lakeshark

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77635.html


120 posted on 06/21/2012 6:01:25 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; xzins
Actually Norm, that's a question I've asked you to answer for a long time, and I did ask it first.

You've never answered it, under your rules, you deserve no answers from me right? Those that have tried did not do a very good job, just repeating the old fatuous nonsense that Romney is just as bad.

Sooooo, let's speak of the current outrage du jour.....you obviously think Romney would have an AG just like Holder (a race baiting corrupt lawless liar, just would work slower) and that he would have done the project called Fast and Furious, but just slower.....

"The Dwarves is for the Dwarves"

121 posted on 06/21/2012 6:05:01 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: xzins; Lakeshark; BlackElk; Norm Lenhart; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; cva66snipe; ...
I do not intend to vote for either Obama or Romney. I will instead vote for the conservative candidate, the Constitution Party candidate, Virgil Goode.
So even among the minority of conservatives who reject the principle of ABO, there is no agreement on a candidate.

The <1%'ers are going to divide their vote in half!

On April 10, 2012, when Rick Santorum ended his campaign, a total of 5 million votes had been cast for Romney. At the same time, a total of 6 million votes had been cast for Santorum+Gingrich.

Conservatives couldn't unite to keep the RINO off the Republican ticket.

Now, the few remaining conservatives who reject the concept of ABO can't unite behind a single fringe candidate.

There's a pattern here.

122 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:23 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Lakeshark

More crap.

Lake. I am truly sorry as to what you’ve become. You have my pity.


123 posted on 06/21/2012 6:07:57 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lakeshark
Actually Norm, that's a question I've asked you to answer for a long time, and I did ask it first.
Could you repeat the question? I don't feel like reading back through the thread. Thanks.
124 posted on 06/21/2012 6:07:57 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: BlackElk
BlackElk:

I'll give you a hint, "The Dwarves is for the Dwarves" is from a CS Lewis book, not Tolkien.

125 posted on 06/21/2012 6:09:42 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I'm just so awful, mea culpa, mea culpa.

I'm certain you've sent those same sentiments to the other really horrid candidates you've supported in the past as well. Palin, Cain, Newt, and even some others you may have not supported like Santorum, Perry, and those terrible horrid talk show hosts like Levin and Rush.

Wake up Norm, all our candidates lost, and the alternative to Mitt is simply irrational for any conservative.

126 posted on 06/21/2012 6:15:14 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: samtheman
It's a form of the following question, it's what I have been asking most of the anti-Romney people on this forum for a couple of weeks. Very few try to answer, you'd be surprised how many people never address it, the ones who do agree, and then fumble along when called on what it means: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2894026/posts?page=129#129
127 posted on 06/21/2012 6:25:31 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: samtheman

the most recent form of the question was on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2896373/posts?page=92#92


128 posted on 06/21/2012 6:28:13 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

It’s a good question and I’m not surprised you didn’t get an answer. If I personally chose to reject the ABO principle, I probably wouldn’t answer it either.

Without defending Romney (and I’ve never defended Romney on FR or anywhere else), I’d like to say this about the re-election of Barack Obama as President of the United States:

Five reasons we must vote Obama out of office:

1. In his 2nd term the gloves will come off and Obama will truly become Obamugabe

2. In his 2nd term, given the opportunity, Obamugabe will appoint Eric Holder to the Supreme Court

3. In his 2nd term Obamugabe will accelerate his tear-down of the American defense establishment and effectively remove America from the world stage (a promise he’s already basically made to the Russians)

4. Obamugabe will sign a deal with the Arabs to sell Israel down the river

5. In his 2nd term, Obamugabe will take the gloves off on Global Warming and basically shut down what’s left of the US economy in order to make the very worst of the EnviroNazis happy.


129 posted on 06/21/2012 6:44:05 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: samtheman
I've never been a Romney supporter either, he was the last one I would have chosen as the candidate to go up against Bambi.

The problem is, and all the conservative candidates we liked have realized this as well, we have a serious evil in the current administration that is beyond anything we've seen in this country. His record is clear, if he wins again, he'll go full blown Hugo Chavez on us. It's likely to be close, and like Mark Levin said way before Romney won, "I'll vote for an orange juice can to defeat Bambi".

Sorry, I can hardly repeat the guys real name, Bambi will have to do.

130 posted on 06/21/2012 7:01:15 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: samtheman

Who is the other conservative candidate?

The parties I know of with ballot access are: Rep, Dem, Libertarian, Constitution, Green,....

Is there another significant conservative party that I’m missing?


131 posted on 06/21/2012 7:14:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark

No matter how starstruck you are by people with talk shows, it’s always a ‘bad’ thing when a former conservative adopts the same philosophy that brought liberals to power to begin with. Sorry you don’t agree. Doesn’t make it any less true just because you don’t though.

ANY conservative that abandons his conservative beliefs to support a liberal, also abandons their credibility. Rush, Levin, Palin, You or me. An ugly truth, but one supported by fact, logic and reason. When you can factually, logically or using reason show the class how a conservative can vote lib and claim to retain his conservative values by doing so, please, by all means, enlighten us.

But if you are going to continue full lib and argue that putting a lib in power is the conservative thing to do, which is exactly what your posts show to be the case...well...good luck with that.


132 posted on 06/21/2012 7:15:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Your attempts to say that Romney is a liberal, and therefore is the same as Bambi are simply wrong. I'm no Romney fan, but that's just flat out fatuous.

What you are seemingly saying is that you (and the few proud FR purists) are the only ones who could be right, and that the very candidates you supported are now wrong and somehow tainted because they have come to a different conclusion than you have.

They are not voting "lib", they are voting to remove a deadly cancer, one that will kill everything you believe in if not taken out.

It's that simple, and logical mind games won't let you get away from that.

133 posted on 06/21/2012 7:29:42 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

“They are not voting “lib”, they are voting to remove a deadly cancer, one that will kill everything you believe in if not taken out.”

They are voting for a liberal. It doesn’t matter in the end why they are doing it. People can rationalize ‘why’ they are voting for a liberal all day long. It does not change the fact that they are, in the end, pulling the lever for a person who has perhaps the MOST liberal republican record of governance ever.

That’s not a mind game. That’s fact. It’s also a fact that ABOs ‘believe’ that doing so is the right thing to do. Now how, in any accepted definition of what ‘conservatism’ is and what it stands for, can doing that EVER be a solution to any problem?

Obama schmama. When the next liberal antichrist rises from Obama’s political ashes (and lets be honest, there are thousands every bit as bad lusting for power in the Dem party) will it then be acceptable to run a liberal against them? Or God help us, another gets elected, should we run a lib against them?

WTF ever happened to standing for what you believe in? Do you think the FFathers, faced with literal death and the literal death of their families would have said...”Gee there’s this evil King wanting it his way so let’s run Bennedict Arnold against him”?

Lake, Obama is evil. He’s a tyrant. And before it’s over, yes, he’ll probably go full tilt Mao. You don’t ‘fix’ that by another only slightly less bad. You deal with the problem, not drag it out over and over and over through 20 elections.

We have a Constitution. That Constitution enumerates the process for dealing with misleaders like Zilch. That’s what our congress is for. They have the power and authority to reign his mullah loving ways. If they refuse to, then the country is already toast. How can ANYONE call it America with a tin pot tyrant at the helm, a castrated congress covering his sins and a population willing to go to a full tilt liberal and beg him for salvation?

Romney is not going to ‘save’ anything. In the past ‘weak’ alone he’s ducked Obamacare, the EO and Holder.

THAT is salvation for America? He’s not even elected yet and he’s ‘leading’ like a Democrat.


134 posted on 06/21/2012 7:48:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Lake, Obama is evil. He’s a tyrant. And before it’s over, yes, he’ll probably go full tilt Mao. You don’t ‘fix’ that by another only slightly less bad. You deal with the problem, not drag it out over and over and over through 20 elections.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

There is no way to address this by voting for a third party "purist" that has never been vetted, and you actually know little about.

It's not "slightly less bad", it's a magnitude that is more like 10 to 1 or 20 to 1.

Remove these people, continue to work for a better conservative group in government, and pressure the RINO squish (that's what he is) to keep close enough to his rhetoric for us to survive while you work towards something better.

The alternative is like I say......unthinkable.

135 posted on 06/21/2012 8:07:37 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: BlackElk

Tom pinged me to this thread a while back, but I’ve been VBSing and too busy to do much FReeping. Just wanted to say, I gain so much encouragement from your posts. I share your zeal, and find it beyond rational thought as to why a Christian can justify voting for MR. I’ll get back in the fray next week, but just wanted to thank you for your encouraging fight.


136 posted on 06/21/2012 10:07:52 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: MCF
You tell me what it will accomplish other than a great side show all the way to election?

If we're not willing to stand up for our Constitution, then what the hell use are we? What's the point of even being an American? Tolerating and making excuses for this crap is no different than giving Old Glory the crotch salute.

137 posted on 06/21/2012 10:18:05 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil.)
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To: xzins

I know of two candidates who are pushed here on FR as “the conservative alternative”.

Do you really only know of one?

Are you being purposely obtuse?

I don’t even know which one of the two is “yours” but without asking you that, do you really claim to be only aware of a single “conservative alternative to Romney”??????


138 posted on 06/21/2012 10:21:03 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Lakeshark
he'll go full blown Hugo Chavez on us
Or Mugabe.
139 posted on 06/21/2012 10:22:48 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Amazing post! Must be widely quoted. You completely nailed it.


140 posted on 06/21/2012 10:45:23 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: samtheman

Yes, I know of no other conservative candidate. Goode is the only one from one of the nation-wide parties, CP. Who is the other you’re thinking of — Johnson? Can’t go with libertarians; they are pro-choice.


141 posted on 06/21/2012 11:27:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

So you’re not acknowledging this thread, the poster of this thread, or his many supporters here in FR?

They don’t exist?

They are potted plants?

They are not conservatives?

It just goes to what I was saying, that conservatives have a very hard time uniting.

We failed to unite behind a single anti-Romney candidate in the primaries and now those conservatives who refuse to support Romney also refuse to unite behind a single non-Romney alternative.

It’s both amazing and depressing.


142 posted on 06/21/2012 11:33:19 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Lakeshark

Sorry. You’re mistaken. The only party I was involved with until 2008 was the GOP. And Keyes was a Republican until then as well.


143 posted on 06/21/2012 12:01:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TomHoefling.com)
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To: daisy mae for the usa
Thank you for your kind words.

Coincidentally, I knew Al Capp who was the cartoonist and creator of Little Abner. He was originally from my hometown of New Haven, CT, and was about 40 years older than I. For several years, I used to drive him from his home in Cambridge, MA, (a stone's throw from Harvard with the scars to prove it as Al used to say) to his apartment in NYC and vice versa.

May God bless you and yours!

144 posted on 06/21/2012 2:39:03 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: xzins
Virgil Goode is fine but there is also Tom Hoefling, an Evangelical Christian, thoroughly trustworthy on all moral issues and on other issues as well. Tom Hoefling is FR's Eternal Vigilance.

God bless you and yours.

145 posted on 06/21/2012 2:48:08 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Lakeshark

Apparently, Lakeshark’s mind decomposed badly in the meantime along with any semblance of principles. Now any old POS under the GOP label will do.


146 posted on 06/21/2012 3:49:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Lakeshark

C. S. Lewis was a close friend of J. R. R. Tolkien and would have been familiar with Tolkien’s take on dwarves because early drafts of LOR were read to Lewis’s Oxford Literary Club: The Inklings. To the extent that they may differ, I’ll take my stand with Tolkien.


147 posted on 06/21/2012 4:09:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: samtheman

If true, how sad for Miss Sarah. After her elbows recover from the nuclear arm-twisting by the GOP-E, her loyalists will forgive her for the great woman that she is. The morally spaghetti-spined Romney pom pom girls will NEVER be forgiven.


148 posted on 06/21/2012 4:18:07 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk
Before you continue spouting gibberish about nothing you know (seems to be a recurrent problem.....:-), you might want to find out what Lewis was talking about.

Hint: It's an archetype, a small group that can't listen, can't hear anything but their own silly notions of purity, self righteousness all the while fighting to put an evil tyrant back on the throne while thinking they are "pure".

This is sounding very familiar.......

149 posted on 06/21/2012 8:08:13 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: samtheman

U mean I don’t acknowledge a freeper who hangs out a shingle and says he’s running for the presidency? That is no different than if I did. Gary Johnson was a governor of a state. Virgil Goode was a many term congressman.

Tom might be a nice guy but tell me his credentials.


150 posted on 06/22/2012 5:53:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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