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Things often overlooked by preppers
Prudence Not Paranoia ^ | 6/1/12 | rknecht

Posted on 06/01/2012 9:22:45 AM PDT by Kartographer

More Americans are joining the ranks of “preppers” every day.

My last two columns discussed the growing trend of people taking steps to ensure they can be as self-sufficient as possible over the short term in; the event of a natural or manmade catastrophe.

Preppers aren’t necessarily members of groups with a political agenda.

They’re just concerned citizens and sometimes include groups of families, neighborhoods, churches, civic organizations and even entire states.

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To: Mr. K
"I added a couple of cases of Hydrogen-peroxide"

I have some too but it's probably no good now.

If you've ever poured hydrogen peroxide solution onto a cut and didn't experience the expected fizz, it's likely your bottle of hydrogen peroxide has become a bottle of plain water. The 3% hydrogen peroxide solution you can buy for use as a disinfectant typically has a shelf life of at least a year if the bottle is unopened, but only lasts 30-45 days once the seal has been broken. As soon as you expose the peroxide solution to air, it starts to react to form water. Also, if you contaminate the bottle (e.g., by dipping a swab or finger into the bottle), you can expect the effectiveness of the remaining liquid to be compromised.

Also FYI. Household bleach loses about 50% of it's strength every 12 months.

81 posted on 06/01/2012 1:44:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: oh8eleven
"What preppers overlook is that they wasted away their lives in totally unnecessary fear, while making their families suffer from their mental illness. "

Oh, how superior ...above it all.

How wonderful you are.

You stupid ___-____.

82 posted on 06/01/2012 1:52:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: oh8eleven
Why? Why make comments?

I don't feel the need to jump into your world of interest...that thing you think is so great...that I would certainly find absolutely idiotic...a let you know how big an idiot you are for thinking it's great. No...I let you have your fun in your little word with your other idiot, loser friends. I keep my mouth shut about how crazy you are about XYZ...and about how stupid I think it is that you are even remotely interested in it. And frankly, most of the time...I ignore your interest...don't even go to the thread. If I do...I lurk.

But no...not people like you. You have something inside you. Something broken. Something calls out from deep within: "Tell them your worthless opinion! They need to know it! You can't let them be! You MUST right their wrong thinking...and even if you can't do that...you must at LEAST let them know that YOU...the GREAT ONE...think that what they believe in is crap."

Thank God for you sir. Without you guiding us and letting us know what to think...we would all be lost. Wondering aimlessly.

83 posted on 06/01/2012 2:01:22 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

It strikes me that there are many mindsets and attitudes that can be counterproductive - even deadly - should the situation go to the extreme —

Foremost among those is the mindset of “Everything must be absolutely ‘safe’ at all times”.. Never mind that it’s a patent impossibility on its face - the Nanny Staters have turned the psyche of our People to one of abject fear at the vaguest possibility of risk...

How many of us are able - or willing - to completely abandon that paradigm, and learn to think, as our ancestors did, in terms of “acceptable risk” to realize a benefit...

From water that isn’t “EPA PRISTINE”, to medicines and foodstocks that are past their ‘expiration date’ (or not “Government Approved”), to learning to tolerate weevily bread and less-than-USDA-Grade-A-Prime meat — there are a lot of mental adjustments we’re going to have to make, if we are to thrive....


84 posted on 06/01/2012 2:03:03 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: blam
How hard is electrolysis of sulfuric acid in water and hydrolysis of the S2O8?

Any first year cook can do that.

Knowing what is which is the hard part. ;)

'What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4', and there goes another student.

/johnny

85 posted on 06/01/2012 2:06:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Learning to meditate, suck it up, and pray also works well...”

Yup, we believe that all healing begins with prayer.


86 posted on 06/01/2012 2:23:04 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: blam
And bleach is actually fairly safe to make. Hydrogen peroxide? not so safe.

/johnny

87 posted on 06/01/2012 2:23:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ctdonath2
But that is a reminder on the meds subject: if someone IS on antidepressants, and they run out cold turkey, be ready for an onslaught of extreme behavior (severe anxiety, depression, verbal or physical abusiveness, OCD, irrationality, obscenity, etc.) for a week or so, followed by a return to whatever state of mind which was bad enough to prompt prescription of antidepressants in the first place.

You so superbly covered the hazards of abrupt antidepressant cessation I finally decided to print and save the quote.

When I said above it can land you in the ER I should have added jail as well. People can really screw up their lives with DV charges and other problems that would have never happened otherwise.

When titrating down the dosage people sometimes go to as low as 1/10 the normal dosage and stretch out the ramp-down for months. Not sure how much formal research has been done in this area because physicians tend to downplay the hazards but those in the know take it seriously.

88 posted on 06/01/2012 2:31:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Well, no one is going to convince you that the hazards of acetaminophen are minimal when administered properly. Children should be given a children’s liquid variety, not because it is different chemically but because the liquid can be measured and dosed more accurately. Millions upon millions of people use acetaminophen with no liver damage. I would choose to worry about other things.


89 posted on 06/01/2012 2:37:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Uncle Ike

You are correct. The mindset of ‘preppers’ must not be overlooked when it comes to survival. Water is easily made safe to drink with a few drops of SSKI (saturated solution potassium iodide), or by using a few drops of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. For the most part ‘expiration dates’ have no meaning as to quality of packaged items. And when push really comes to shove, we might be left with eating rabbit, squirrel, possum, ‘coon, groundhog, etc...it is all about mindset.


90 posted on 06/01/2012 2:38:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: steve86

“I have been ordering cheap generics...”

Any good links?


91 posted on 06/01/2012 2:40:23 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
we might be left with eating rabbit, squirrel,

What the heck is might? The squirrels are sparse around here, even now.

If you haven't had to live for over a year on stored supplies and forage, you aren't living nearly close enough to the edge.

Squirrel is good eats. Even if we didn't cover it in culinary school.

/johnny

92 posted on 06/01/2012 2:45:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We have the squirrels, the ‘coons, the possum, the groundhogs. I have eaten these, except for the groundhogs.

Geese are in great abundance. It could be Christmas every other day around here :).

And we have deer...drying the venison would give us longer term availablity from a deer. And there are many edible plants, berries in season.


93 posted on 06/01/2012 2:55:00 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: steve86; GGpaX4DumpedTea

Normally I don’t like jumping into other people’s arguments, but, hey, I’m jumping in.

I think having range of pain-fighting tools at your disposal would be best, so that you have alternatives if one wouldn’t work in that particular scenario.

Maybe start by looking for ways to prevent pain, such as minding your posture to prevent headaches (I get an awful migraine if I lean my head forward for too long, such as when reading). Look for ways to increase your pain tolerance so you don’t need painkillers as often, maybe learn meditation or self-hypnosis. Then, if you really need the help, maybe rotate using different painkillers to mitigate the side effects of sticking to just one?

Also, keep the side effects in mind when deciding which to take. For example, aspirin is a blood thinner, so if you have an open wound, or get one shortly after taking it, it might mean losing more blood than you otherwise would have.

Did that make sense?


94 posted on 06/01/2012 2:55:43 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Squirrel is good eats. Even if we didn't cover it in culinary school.

Got any recipes you could share? The last time I made squirrel it came out kind of stringy.
95 posted on 06/01/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to your Prepper Ping List.

Thanks! Gpa


96 posted on 06/01/2012 3:01:06 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: PastorBooks
I am kind of hesitant to do that because YMMV (not just with the products but customs as well), but my experiences have been very satisfactory with this company (antibiotic page shown):

International Pharmacy

There are others. I used to order from Mexico but the government clamped down on mail order and one of the major pharmacies ran into financial problems. Also, the prices went up a lot for some reason.

Sometimes you can find things cheaper on eBay but I would not recommend it unless the seller is traceable to one of these same large international pharmacies, not just a guy selling out of his mailbox. Also, the best drugs to purchase internationally are ones for which the effects (or lack of) are readily apparent. For example, I would know within a single dose if a Proton Pump Inhibitor (like Prilosec) is working or not. In the case of the antidepressants, which came up on the thread earlier, you might not know for weeks and still not be sure. Traditional antibiotics should be fine from the major international pharmacies as the production is relatively low-cost and the technology is universal. The margins are small and there is little incentive to counterfeit.

97 posted on 06/01/2012 3:08:23 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Ellendra
Pick most any of Escoffier's small game recipes.

I really like the squirrel in gravy inside vol-au-vents.

I generally use a half of a shelled pecan for a garnish, but that's just me, being upset.

/johnny

98 posted on 06/01/2012 3:32:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: steve86; PastorBooks
I've ordered and been satisfied with the antibiotics from here for years.
99 posted on 06/01/2012 3:33:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Since 2008 and a little before, I've been eating a lot of forage. Still do. Most of my pig is wild, except miss piggy, that I bootlegged here in town for 5 months before she hit 100 lbs.

Life already ain't easy for some folks.

/johnny

100 posted on 06/01/2012 3:40:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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