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Yes, Communism has to come before Capitalism, because otherwise there would be nothing for the Communists to steel.
Every volunteer event that draws only a few of the same people everytime, to do the work for the majority who show up later to eat, sums up socialism.
Communism is the theory that socialism would work, if you just shot a few people every so often to keep up moral.
To turn a phrase used by Charles M.Schultz in Peanuts —What if the sky really was green and the grass blue?And not just colored that way bu his characters doing happiness is.Communism has already been tried—and has failed and the useful idiots continue to insist that their progressive interpolation of the term/concept has not been tried-least not recently under their tutelage.
How close are we now? Take a good look at King Obama and his communists empire. Will he stop? No, because he resembles an insane communists dictator. We must stop him but it will take years to undo the damage even if we get the Administration, Senate and keep the House. Remember, there are many so called Republicans that are just as bad.
Sorta like saying Helen Thomas might look really hot if she just changed her outfit.
Socialism: iniquity in state form.
delusional rants from the left..... freedom for the individual DEMANDS a capitalist society, a free society if you will-—free from the boot of dictatorial government
Communism, untried?
Au contraire, Pierre. The enforced edict of “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” has been tried over and over again through history, long before it was ever CALLED “Communism”, and NOBODY has ever gotten it right without resorting to naked force of arms.
By demanding individuals exert the maximum exercise of their capabilities, without compensation commensurate with that effort, and ordering the fruits of labor to be distributed according to the needs of others, discounts two very basic human traits. First of which is, no person will exert much more effort than necessary to satisfy basic needs and perceived wants, and second, perceived wants can and do exceed basic needs by surprisingly wide margins. Then again, “wants” and “needs” are not interchangeable terms, though some people see them as the same thing.
The only way to make this transaction work, is to FORCE production from those able to do something, and RATION distribution on an equalized basis to all who consume. And without a point of a very sharp weapon, or the barrel of a side arm pressed to one’s back, there is just not enough persuasive power of reason and emotional appeal for everybody to conform.
Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.
——Free markets have to be forced by government to implode. If they can force it to implode(as Obama is clearly doing) then we can reach the worker’s paradise.——
The end justifies the means....
Workers paradise is just another liberal speak for slave labor....
Perhaps a better question: Why hasn’t Communism really been tried?
In a sense, the authors are right that true communism hasn’t really been tried in the 164 years since Marx published his Communist Manifesto. The real question: Why not? Why, after communist leaders have convinced a sufficient minority of people in a large number of countries that communism would be a good thing, has no country tried real communism? Why are China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam on the spectrum somewhere between traditional brutal dictatorships and thuggishly brutal or clownish dictatorships instead of giving real communism a try today? Why did Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia never give communism a real try, instead opting for totalitarianism despite their communist rhetoric? Why is the same true in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia, all of which suffered under brutal regimes as their propaganda teams talked about the glories of communism? The answer is obvious to thinking people. I wonder when communists will start thinking about why every time they hand power over to a caretaker government to implement the transition to true socialism, the result is the same. I wonder when they will realize that brutal tyranny is the only possible outcome for a “communist” government. I hope that time comes before Obama reaches his goal with our country.
communism was tried....it this country...at it’s founding when the Pilgrims first arrived....everything was done for the benefit of the community...and stored...whatever was grown or made was put in a sort of “general store” if you will....sounded good...you contribute and then take what you need..only problem was after a time some were helping themselves to supplies but not actually making much of a contribution..so this plan was abandoned and our system of capitalism was developed....
go back to the early days of our nation and you can find this was tried on these shores and junked.
A history teacher of mine said Marx intended communism for Germany, a country that at the time had a strong industrial base. Marxism failed because it would be adopted by the peasantry in poorer, agricultural societies. Basically, communism can't succeed until after capitalism has made the country strong and rich.
If you want to see a perfect communist society, look at a bee hive or an ant colony. In these societies, there are no individuals, every member has a job, and does that job, never shirking it, and never complaining or doing anything against the interest of that society.
The problem is that when you try forcing that sort of society upon human beings, it will fall apart, simply due to human emotions, either due to love of family, or greed and lust (for power).
Mark
Marx actually admitted that his theory would fail because it would create an elite which would destroy his ideals.
So, since, we have seen a mix of socialist systems which based his ideals with mass murder and elite rulers.
No system can survive without banks, and important manufacturing. In short, they need some capitalism to survive.
It all implodes after a time because of lack of trust. They kill each other off. Much like the mafia I would guess. Steal and kill to get what what is wanted..only on a huge scale.
We don’t have to try socialism to know it cannot work.
The economist Ludwig von Mises showed in 1920 [1,2] that since a socialist economy destroys price information via government intrusion, the myriad of participants in the economy are unable to make a fully rational calculation about true profit and loss. Any economic activity that operates at a loss cannot be “sustainable”, a concept the left loves to scold us about, yet cannot really grasp.
Taking another approach, the Nobel economist F.A. Hayek showed that a national economy had such an immense myriad of dynamic economic relationships that no single committee or bureaurcracy, no matter how smart or how well staffed, could possibly know enough to direct prices or production levels. His Nobel Lecture [3] was entitled The Pretence of Knowledge. Hayek had previously used this idea as the basis for a very thorough article [4] on the subject, “The Use of Knowledge in Society.”
When these two different withering critiques of socialism are combined, it is easy to see that not only is it dangrously foolish to think that economic decisions can successfully be made by government, but that competing bureaucracies will invariably react to the consequences of intrusions in the marketplace by each other. It would be like trying to control the height of waves on a lake by measuring them from the back of a boat circling in its own wake.
Socialism is also morally bankrupt, for it demands we accept the premise that we can each live at the expense of others, despite how this violates the Commandments that forbid coveting and theft.
[1] Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig von Mises
http://mises.org/pdf/econcalc.pdf
[2] Why a Socialist Economy is “Impossible” by Joseph T. Salerno
http://mises.org/econcalc/POST.asp
[3] The Pretense of Knowledge
http://mises.org/daily/3229
[4] “The Use of Knowledge in Society,” American Economic Review, XXXV, No. 4; September, 1945, pp. 519–30.
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One little problem no communist country has ever solved. How do you convince the productive minority to keep working while receiving none of the benefits of their own labor? Communism is slavery.
People have free will. Free will has to be repressed in order for people to be in 100% compliance with the central planners. This repression can only be achieved through the brutal use of force.
The only way that socialism or communism could truly come into existence by peaceful means would be if property owners voluntarily donated their property to the socialist state. But, since this will never happen,because it is incompatible with human nature, if socialism or communism is ever to exist, it can only come about by means of aggression-force applied on a massive scale, against all private property.