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Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]
WND ^ | May 08, 2011 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.

Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.

In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.

Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.

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The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."

"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.

The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.

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1 posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:46 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

“....raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.”

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Who is concerned? Not the SCOTUS and Congress.


2 posted on 05/09/2011 8:39:04 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: RobinMasters

The birth certificate is only a single puzzle piece, mostly interesting because he didn’t want to produce it.

For me, more important is the question of what citizenship he claimed in college, once he was of age, and what passport he traveled on in college. American, or Indonesian. That is information he will not give up willingly, I don’t believe, not for all the Trumps in the world. Because he can’t, and he dares not.


3 posted on 05/09/2011 8:40:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: RobinMasters

He certainly was & would have had to have been as he was adopted by Soetoro therefore he lost whatever American citizenship he might have had prior.


4 posted on 05/09/2011 8:41:37 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: marron

He could have had Bin Laden killed a hundred times over, and we will STILL be reminding him that he is NOT Constitutionally eligible to be President!


5 posted on 05/09/2011 8:45:06 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: RobinMasters
This is nothing new. The point about a potential adoption was raised over two years ago, and it was answered by pointing out the simple fact that a US citizen child does not lose his citizenship by virtue of being adopted by a foreigner. Period.
6 posted on 05/09/2011 8:47:34 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
as he was adopted by Soetoro therefore he lost whatever American citizenship he might have had prior.

That is not true. You are repeating a bither myth that has no basis in reality.

7 posted on 05/09/2011 8:49:22 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: marron
For me, more important is the question of what citizenship he claimed in college,

What possible advantage would it give him to claim any citizenship other than American?

8 posted on 05/09/2011 8:50:55 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
This is nothing new. The point about a potential adoption was raised over two years ago, and it was answered by pointing out the simple fact that a US citizen child does not lose his citizenship by virtue of being adopted by a foreigner. Period.

Is an 18 year old still considered a 'child'. Now IF he applied to college at 18 or older as a citizen of another country then he has got some explaining to get done.

9 posted on 05/09/2011 8:52:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Now IF he applied to college at 18 or older as a citizen of another country then he has got some explaining to get done.

What grounds do you have for suspicion of such an act? What possibly could he have gained from claiming foreign citizenship?

10 posted on 05/09/2011 8:53:57 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

What possible advantage would it give him to claim any citizenship other than American?

Don’t you recall he wanted to be the Head of Indonesian Govt?


11 posted on 05/09/2011 8:59:14 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
I just don't understand why people keep bringing up Barry's possible Indonesian citizenship. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL.

He was a child. He could not and his parents COULD NOT take away his U.S. citizenship if he was indeed born in the U.S.

IF Barrack Obama (correct spelling) really is Barry's father, then Barry isn't a “Natural Born Citizen”, PERIOD.
Soetoro doesn't even figure into this. Indonesia doesn't figure into this. The United States does not let Indonesia or any other country tell us who our citizens are, or how or when that citizenship status can be changed. Only a person past the age of majority can renounce their U.S. citizenship. They have to do so OFFICIALLY, fill out forms etc. or serve in a foreign military or similar anti U.S. action. (traitor).

So stop already with the Indonesian citizenship angle. There isn't one.

Let me repeat. Look it up, I did.

He was a CHILD. He could not give up or lose his U.S. citizenship. (if he ever had it)

His parents, COULD NOT, on his behalf, remove his U.S. citizenship. (if he ever had it)

12 posted on 05/09/2011 9:03:41 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman
So stop already with the Indonesian citizenship angle. There isn't one.

You are absolutely correct.

But you are a voice in the wilderness.

13 posted on 05/09/2011 9:06:17 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: rolling_stone
Don’t you recall he wanted to be the Head of Indonesian Govt?

First I heard of it. Got any evidence?

14 posted on 05/09/2011 9:13:49 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: faucetman

How about the law at that time that the child’s citizenship followed that of the custodial parent, in this case, his mother?


15 posted on 05/09/2011 9:14:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: RobinMasters
"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," . .

She taught him well. Everything in Obama's life seems to be "provided by" someone else. . the fellow traveler way. . .

16 posted on 05/09/2011 9:14:53 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: RobinMasters

Hmmmmm....Osama killed by a phony.


17 posted on 05/09/2011 9:14:59 PM PDT by jetson
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To: faucetman
IF Barrack Obama (correct spelling) really is Barry's father, then Barry isn't a “Natural Born Citizen”, PERIOD.

That is the real issue.

18 posted on 05/09/2011 9:14:59 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: faucetman
LOL. It's very amusing to see the various birther denominations quarreling with one another.
19 posted on 05/09/2011 9:15:39 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: aruanan
How about the law at that time that the child’s citizenship followed that of the custodial parent, in this case, his mother?

What makes you think that was the law at the time?

20 posted on 05/09/2011 9:16:44 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
What grounds do you have for suspicion of such an act? What possibly could he have gained from claiming foreign citizenship?

Joe the Plumber. His whole life was investigated and fed to the 'jon stewart' media in a flash. Yet this guy in the White House claims that he does not have in his possession his birth certificate, and has to send his lawyer over to the state of his birth to collect a birth certificate. What has he been using all these many years? NOT one of his 3 college records has yet to be disclosed or leaked. IF this guy wants this to go away then he needs to be what he claims he is 'transparent'. He is NOT a god and if he is as 'smart' as these liberal mouth pieces claim him to be there would be evidence presented by his college accomplishments.

He should at least abide by the 'rules' the rest of US have to day in and day out.

21 posted on 05/09/2011 9:17:44 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: RobinMasters

Even if he was adopted it wouldn’t remove his American citizenship. There are some very specific steps you have to take to accomplish that.


22 posted on 05/09/2011 9:18:43 PM PDT by airedale
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To: aruanan
"How about the law at that time that the child’s citizenship followed that of the custodial parent, in this case, his mother?"

That would be a terrific story, except it's just that - a story.

Since AT LEAST 1898, the law of the land on birthright citizenship has been the Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In it, the Court holds that anyone born in the US subject to the jurisdiction thereof, irrespective of the citizenship status of his/her parents, is a citizens of the United States.

They are not citizens because of statute, but because of the 14A. No statute, like your ridiculously absurd "law at the time that the child's citizenship followed that of the custodial parent" can disenfranchise a person from a right that they enjoy via Constitutional law.

If you are a citizen at birth, you cannot lose your citizenship, nor can your parents by design or neglect, renounce your citizenship either. There is ample case law since Ark that says just that.

23 posted on 05/09/2011 9:24:46 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
That should have read...

"..If you are a citizen at birth and a minor child, you cannot lose your citizenship, nor can your parents by design or neglect, renounce your citizenship either.

24 posted on 05/09/2011 9:26:29 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: curiosity

“It’s very amusing to see the various birther denominations quarreling with one another.”

Religious schisms are always interesting to watch.


25 posted on 05/09/2011 9:38:20 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: curiosity

That is not a Birther myth, it is a view expressed by very few uninformed posters. What the real issue here is if he was adopted then he has an amended birth certificate, that means what he has produced to date is fraudulent.

The whole family is a bunch of commies from the get go. You know it is said when the Communist label doesn’t evev cause a raised eyebrow from the media or voters.


26 posted on 05/09/2011 9:41:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: itsahoot
"What the real issue here is if he was adopted then he has an amended birth certificate, that means what he has produced to date is fraudulent."

Why? You're presuming that his mother and new adoptive father, at some time after their marriage, flew back to HI and then - at considerable expense - obtained an attorney to file appropriate paperwork with the state family court of HI and then obtained a court order to reflect the Indonesian adoption.

Also, Obama's father didn't die until the 1980s. You do realize for any US court to recognize an adoption while both legally recognized parents are still alive, requires that the first legal father/mother (most usually the biological father/mother) grant consent? Just because Indonesia recognized the adoption without the biological father's consent, doesn't mean the state of HI would. In fact, it's almost a certainty that the state of HI wouldn't without explicit consent of Obama St.

I can promise you that there are thousands of US-born children every year, that are adopted in foreign countries because one of their parents remarry, or marry for a first time, and their US birth certificates are never amended.

Moreover,

27 posted on 05/09/2011 10:01:25 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: faucetman
I just don't understand why people keep bringing up Barry's possible Indonesian citizenship. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL.

Absolutely. This a simple choice case. Either he is NBC due to birth in America from American mother or NBC must come from two American citizen parents. Court could rule either way, but I would say that tie goes to the runner and obama would win.

28 posted on 05/09/2011 10:07:59 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Moreover, “

Well?

I really hate cliffhangers...


29 posted on 05/09/2011 10:13:01 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
I have no idea how that happened. The "Moreover" was suppose to come immediately before the "I can promise..."

Sorry for that rogue connecting adverb.

30 posted on 05/09/2011 10:18:03 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Just mythoughts
He should at least abide by the 'rules' the rest of US have to day in and day out.

Well, the rule for everyone says that you don't have to disclose your college or grad school transciprts to the public if you don't want to. Hence I don't see how you can argue Obama is getting special treatment here.

31 posted on 05/09/2011 11:14:54 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: faucetman

That is just not true as parents make decisions for children all the time & he had to become an Indonesian citizen just to attend school. Renouncing does not even come into the equation. I never renounced my South African citizenship BUT as I emigrated to Canada with my parents as a young child that decision was made on my behalf & today have no civil rights as a South African as I am in the eyes of the law only entitled as a Canadian.


32 posted on 05/09/2011 11:17:16 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: faucetman

That is just not true as parents make decisions for children all the time & he had to become an Indonesian citizen just to attend school. Renouncing does not even come into the equation. I never renounced my South African citizenship BUT as I emigrated to Canada with my parents as a young child that decision was made on my behalf & today have no civil rights as a South African as I am in the eyes of the law only entitled as a Canadian.


33 posted on 05/09/2011 11:17:36 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
I never renounced my South African citizenship BUT as I emigrated to Canada with my parents as a young child that decision was made on my behalf & today have no civil rights as a South African

I don't know what the citizenship laws of South Africa might be.

But I do know the citizenship laws of the United States as they pertain to that period.

A person born on American soil is an American citizen, period. If Indonesia considers him a citizen because he was adopted, that changes nothing -- he is still an American citizen.

And he will stay an American citizen unless and until he renounces that citizenship upon gaining his majority.

Even if he susequently traveled on an Indonesian passport or gained entrance to college as a foreign student, that would not change his status as an American citizen. It might leave him open to some fraud charges, though...

34 posted on 05/09/2011 11:34:15 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: curiosity

The definite possible advantage of claiming foreign citizenship while going to college is Foreign Aid funds to attend college on the U.S. dime.


35 posted on 05/09/2011 11:39:23 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: curiosity
LOL. It's very amusing to see the various birther denominations quarreling with one another.

Get a life. Any life.

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To: Retired Intelligence Officer

LOL. The poor quality of birther reading comprehension skills never ceases to amaze me. Rush is saying they got an imposter into the EQUIVALENT of the White House in AFGANISTATN.

22 posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:53:11 PM by curiosity
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2632107/posts?page=22#22;

36 posted on 05/10/2011 12:40:21 AM PDT by Chunga (I can see 2012 from my house. Go, Sarah, GO!! - Jim Robinson)
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To: curiosity
Well, the rule for everyone says that you don't have to disclose your college or grad school transciprts to the public if you don't want to. Hence I don't see how you can argue Obama is getting special treatment here.

Now that just depends does it not on exactly what position everyone is applying for employment? But I will agree that there is a 'right' we all at least for the time being do share, taking the 'fifth'.

37 posted on 05/10/2011 5:37:10 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: curiosity
First I heard of it. Got any evidence?

I've heard that, I recall it was just a response to the "what do you want to be when you grow up" question that every kid gets asked.

38 posted on 05/10/2011 5:44:21 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: OldDeckHand

You do realize for any US court to recognize an adoption while both legally recognized parents are still alive, requires that the first legal father/mother (most usually the biological father/mother) grant consent?
____________________________________________________

That would require Obama SR to be recognized as the legal father with rights...

That never happened...there was no jurisdiction over Barry’s life...

In 1961 a legal marriage would have given SR that right...

However there was no legal marriage...

SR never ever had any interest or interaction with Barry...

One chance photo when he was 10 at the airport during a flythrough visit to Hawaii for some event SR was there for, doesnt prove a lifetime of fatherhood..

Even the stance of SR suggests the photo was not one of a man and his beloved son...

SR is looking off absentmindedly at something else

There appears to be no comradery between the 2...emotional or physical..


39 posted on 05/10/2011 5:47:21 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RobinMasters

Is Maya his stepsister—or half-sister?


40 posted on 05/10/2011 5:56:18 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: OldDeckHand

Old you have become a disgusting obamite, hiding on this forum like a sleeper waiting to pounce. You use hyperbole to confuse issues that require only common sense, which you seem to have lost all together.

The president’s whole life history is concealed and the best you can do is ridicule those of us that would like to know who the man is. His citizenship is of little concern since you and others seem to accept any piece of paper that he posts on the Internet, but his past is still concealed.

His actions alone belie the notion that he is a loyal NBC, but he is not alone, we have many traitors serving in congress, and apparently no small number posting here.


41 posted on 05/10/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: RobinMasters

So now that we know where the (fake) birth certificate is, the big question to be put on billboards is.....

WHO IS BARRY SOETORO?


42 posted on 05/10/2011 6:01:02 AM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: RobinMasters; LucyT; Bikkuri; GregNH; faucetman; warsaw44; ColdOne; wintertime; Fred Nerks; ...
Ping......................

Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

43 posted on 05/10/2011 6:01:08 AM PDT by melancholy (Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: curiosity

You know little about rules. Oh, of course, unless you meant there are different rules for those whom we have elevated to Royalty.


44 posted on 05/10/2011 6:01:35 AM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: itsahoot
The president’s whole life history is concealed and the best you can do is ridicule those of us that would like to know who the man is. His citizenship is of little concern since you and others seem to accept any piece of paper that he posts on the Internet, but his past is still concealed.

Nail on head! A ghost of a POTUS hiding in plain sight!

Q: Why are the grand "education" records of the Brilliant One hidden?

A: Because 0b0z0's brilliance is a media-created myth that if proven different, his made up image would collapse under its own weight. Moreover, 0b0z0 might have applied as a foreign student and that should disqualify him from being president. It may also prove that he fraudulently obtained scholarships and/or Saudi money helped.

You would think that the narcissist and his media enablers would like to rub the grades and honors in our faces daily and tout 0dumb0 as the most "intelligent POTUS we ever had!"

45 posted on 05/10/2011 6:27:27 AM PDT by melancholy (Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: itsahoot
"You use hyperbole to confuse issues that require only common sense, which you seem to have lost all together."

Hyperbole? That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Not only have I not offered a single hyperbolic statement, I have provided the relevant case cites as evidence of my position.

The citizenship statutes or constitutional entitlements of other countries have absolutely no bearing on US citizenship. The case law in matters concerning citizenship are so elementary, even a 1L could argue them in court. And, not only is the law simple to understand, it has been the law for over 110-years.

46 posted on 05/10/2011 6:56:37 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Tennessee Nana
"That would require Obama SR to be recognized as the legal father with rights... That never happened...there was no jurisdiction over Barry’s life..."

Obama Sr. is listed as the biological father on the birth certificate. He is, at common law, entitled to some parental rights even in 1961. Married or not married at the time of birth, Obama's mother must have sued to terminate Obama's Sr. Parental rights before any adoption can be recognized by the state of HI. Because Obama Sr. legally claimed his parental rights with his signature on that birth certificate, those rights cannot be terminated absent due process - i.e. Court Order. To amend Obama's birth certificate, she would have had to provide one of two things to the state - a death certificate of Obama Sr., or a court order either voluntarily or involuntarily terminating Obama Sr's rights.

"There appears to be no comradery between the 2...emotional or physical.."

Whatever "comradery" [sic] there was or wasn't is wholly immaterial to Obama Sr's parental rights that he asserted with the his representation as the biological father on the birth certificate.

47 posted on 05/10/2011 7:19:12 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama Sr. is listed as the biological father on the birth certificate.
_________________________________________

Have you ever seen the BC ???

Nobody here in these threads have...


48 posted on 05/10/2011 7:24:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: OldDeckHand

He is, at common law, entitled to some parental rights even in 1961.
____________________________________________

Source ???

for Barrys case...

INS didnt believe Obama SR...

Which court case recognized his rights under “common law”

in 1961 onloy the mother would have had any “rights”” over Barry


49 posted on 05/10/2011 7:28:16 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama’s mother must have sued to terminate Obama’s Sr. Parental rights before any adoption can be recognized by the state of HI.
__________________________________________

Why would she need to do that ???

Obama SR didnt havew anty rights to lose

The “divorce” papers state that Barry was Lolos son...

Mu7st have been an adoption of some sort...

other wise Barry would have been recognized as only Stan Anns child..

In fact he would not have been part of the divorce proceedings at all..

he would not have been part of the “marriage” unless he had been legally adopted by Lolo


50 posted on 05/10/2011 7:32:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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