Posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.
Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.
In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.
Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.
Jerome Corsi’s new book, "Where’s the Birth Certificate?", is now available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore
The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."
The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."
"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.
The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.
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I just heard their Corsi clip. What he said is that some BYU professor found iron spheres that were create in the World Trade Center fires. And that the government explanation was incorrect that the burning of the jet fuels did not get hot enough to create them, but only could have been created by another fuel or accelerant that had to be present. This appears to be a plausible statement. That might make him a full blown 911 Truther in the rat world, but it is only a statement of fact. Corsi left open the door that some innocuous fuel was already present in the buildings that created the iron nodules or spheres.
OK let me make it clear, his citizenship is not now nor has it ever been the issue The issue is the fraudulent document that was posted on the internet, twice. You keep trying to divert the argument in a attempt to make exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally, because you know this guy is made from whole cloth. If you don't know, you certainly should.
However he is clean and articulate, we can take comfort in that. Meanwhile there are traitors in both parties, doing there best to bring on the New World Order, and here you are trying to act lawyerly.
The point was that moving to Sweden as a child and living there as a citizen to adulthood didn’t change her US status. Barry moving to Indonesia - even if he HAD been formally adopted - would not affect his US citizenship OR NBC status. He either had it at birth, or did not.
You think he did not. OK, we disagree and after hundreds of posts, I’m not going to waste time trying to change your opinion. Let me know if you ever convince a court.
But moving to Indonesia and then moving back did not impact Barry’s eligibility.
First, I have no idea what the "facts" are regarding Obama's INS record, and neither do you. But, what does that alleged INS file have to do with Hawaiian law? Nothing, nada, zip, zero zilch.
Barack Obama's Sr.'s name IS on that birth certificate, and he was married to Obama's mother. THAT is ALL he needs to be exist for Obama's father to be the one of the two legal parent - per HI law and PER US constitutional law (Armstrong v. Manzo).
Signature, no signature, footprint, no footprint - it's all IRRELEVANT. Barack Obama Sr. was Barack Obama's Jr's LEGAL natural father. It can't be any more simple. I
Why do you hate intelligence?
Irrelevant as a matter of law.
"and you are going to continue to fight us FReepers on our deeply held beliefs? "
I'm going to continue to fight FOR sanity, common sense, rationality and factual accuracy. It's not my problem that you seem to be on the opposite end of ALL of those principles.
One would think he’d be falling over himself gathering all his transcripts just to prove that he made better grades than W. But that’s just not happening for some reason, huh.
Who pinged the trolls?
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I've listened to the Alex Jones interview. Corsi is a quack.
We know Barry came back to America alone and his grandmother was appointed his guardian in 1971. BHO Sr. returned to America at this time to assert his parental rights and object to the Soetoro adoption. The court ordered the original and Soetoro vital records sealed and the Obama COLB created. Obama’s name had been legally changed as well as the names of his parents, but his citizenship remained Indonesian. We know Obama remined Indonesian through his CT SSN. Obama’s refugee sponsor was HQ’d in CT in 1971 (a subsidiary of United Way, funded by the Annie E. Casey Foundation through its investments with UPS). Obama naturalized as a US citizen in the early 80’s. His complete immigation file with USCIS has all the details.
We know Barry came back to America alone and his grandmother was appointed his guardian in 1971. BHO Sr. returned to America at this time to assert his parental rights and object to the Soetoro adoption. The court ordered the original and Soetoro vital records sealed and the Obama COLB created. Obama’s name had been legally changed as well as the names of his parents, but his citizenship remained Indonesian. We know Obama remined Indonesian through his CT SSN. Obama’s refugee sponsor was HQ’d in CT in 1971 (a subsidiary of United Way, funded by the Annie E. Casey Foundation through its investments with UPS). Obama naturalized as a US citizen in the early 80’s. His complete immigation file with USCIS has all the details.
You seemed to have "forgotten" Obama already had a Kenyan citizenship at birth from a non-US citizenship father, which could be by both soil and blood, BUT definitely by blood or jus sanguinis, therefore, noway could Obama be a natural born US citizen.
You think he did not. OK, we disagree and after hundreds of posts, I’m not going to waste time trying to change your opinion. Let me know if you ever convince a court.
It turns out that I was expanding on your post to make things more clear about the Perkins v. Elg. Supreme Court case. That she was a natural born citizen by soil and blood, and the US Supreme Courts have agreed with me.
Since Barry has sealed his records, we don’t know whether he got a foreign scholarship or not. But they were frequently given out in those days, especially to foreign students with connections, who might be important down the road. That would apply to Soetero, as it had earlier applied to Obama.
Rhodes Scholarships (in the other direction) were just one form such scholarships took. Occidental College had a dorm for foreign students (keeping them separate was common at the time), and many of those were on scholarships.
I don’t see why you pretend to question something that was commonplace at that time.
While I agree with you on the other points, I have to disagree here. Perhaps in the eyes of God they weren't married but in the opinion of the court they were at least assumed legally married or the court would not have heard the divorce pleading. The court demands signed and sealed documents so there had to be something she showed the judge. Known bigamy = annulment. Believed marriage = divorce.
And your argument comes from the Lefty Loonies at Soros Media Matters. I explained what transpired in that interview accurately.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I've listened to the Alex Jones interview. Corsi is a quack.
Well the same could be said about you quacking like a duck must be duck.
Prove it? Seriously, are you that obtuse? Now you're arguing that Barack Obama Sr. is not the father? Good Lord.
'he is NOT a natural born citizen, is he? "
Ah, yep, he is. There is not a single US court case that has held that to qualify as a natural-born citizen, both parents must be American citizens. It's just more blather in birtherland.
There is however, a case that holds...
"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person "born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject" at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those "born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens"emphasis added
Gee, how about that?
The interpretation of the 14A by the courts couldn't be clearer. If you can come up with a Supreme Court case, Appellate Case or state case that says otherwise, please share it with everyone, won't you?
No, my argument comes for Corsi's OWN WORDS in a interview that is available for review on YOUTUBE.
You forgot to answer the question. Your refusal to answer the following the questions indicates your deep and abiding hatred of America. Given this hatred, you should consider immigrating to Communist China. Maybe you could run for President there.
How many different countries has your president been a citizen of?
Do you believe that a person who has questionable allegiance to the United States of America should be the President of our country?
Do you believe that your president has questionable allegiance to the United States?
Do you believe that only a natural born citizen as stated in the Constitution of the United States can be President of our country?
Do you believe that your president is a natural born citizen of the United States?
Do you believe that Barack Hussein 0bama should be removed from office?
Why do you hate America?
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