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Why the Israeli Airport Authority Doesn't Use Full-Body Scanners
Texas Rant-A-Center ^ | November 13, 2010 | Texas Rant-A-Center

Posted on 11/14/2010 1:53:29 PM PST by hamboy

Why the Israeli Airport Authority Doesn't Use Full-Body Scanners

They don't work, are a monstrous invasion of privacy and a waste of money.  The Israelis, who've been a target of Islamic stupidity a time or two, must use these things - right?
A leading Israeli airport security expert says the Canadian government has wasted millions of dollars to install "useless" imaging machines at airports across the country.

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Sela, former chief security officer of the Israel Airport Authority and a 30-year veteran in airport security and defence technology, helped design the security at Ben Gurion.

He told MPs on the House of Commons transport committee via video conference from Kfar Vradim, Israel, that he wouldn't reveal how to get past the virtual strip-search scanners, but said he can provide briefings to officials with security clearance.




TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: fullbody; israeli; scanners; tsa; tsapervs

1 posted on 11/14/2010 1:53:36 PM PST by hamboy
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To: hamboy

The Israelis use the most effective form of airport security possible: profiling with a healthy dose of common sense.


2 posted on 11/14/2010 1:55:02 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

Both of which are forbidden by law in most western countries.


3 posted on 11/14/2010 2:03:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Yet_Again

I cannot understand why we cannot profile a suspect because it might cause a loss of self respect, but it is okay to electronically undress me, as my right to privacy is outweighed by his rights. As a flight crew member for many years, I can assure you that profiling has gone on for decades. It worked then, and it works now. It’s the height of stupidity to force crew members to go through these searches, as they wouldn’t need explosives to destroy an aircraft.


4 posted on 11/14/2010 2:06:44 PM PST by ab01
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To: hamboy
I remain confused on why the recent attempt to blow up cargo jets with explosives in printer cartridges, and in response we ratchet up “security” by groping passengers and having them strip before a TSA mouth breather.

All one need do is use body cavities, or several on the same jet do the same, and you beat the system-—easy. They know it. Heck, terrorists even did that during an assassination attempt in Saudi a few years back: body cavity explosives.

So, when a terrorist uses the body cavity technique, we better all get ready fore the ol drop-your-trousers and bend over prison exam.

This is insanity.

Recently, the Metro (subway) in DC was the target of a plot to blow up some trains. More people would be killed during that sort of attack (during rush hour). . .than any aircraft (other than an Airbus 380). Our response, occasional random bag checks.

If TSA and DHS were serious about security, they would install airport-style hardware and procedures at the entrance of every subway. Why don't they? They know it is ineffective and be more of a hassle for the public. The subway traveling public would not stand for it. Why do the public put up with this insanity at the airport? Because they are too ignorant to see the ineffective kabuki dance that it is. I can't tell you how many times I have stood in the airport security line and listened to some once-a-year traveler prattle on about how wonderful the security measures are and how much safer they FEEL.

Argh. . . .rant off.

5 posted on 11/14/2010 2:07:41 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Yet_Again

“The Israelis use the most effective form of airport security possible: profiling with a healthy dose of common sense.”

AMEN!!!!!!!!

And there is NOTHING wrong with this! We should do the same.


6 posted on 11/14/2010 2:09:00 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Yet_Again
... profiling with a healthy dose of common sense.

They also follow the old west saying... "SHOOT FIRST.. ask questions later."

7 posted on 11/14/2010 2:12:27 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (NAACP ... Your RACE CARD has been declined.. it's Over the LIMIT!)
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To: hamboy

Doesn’t an Obama flunky manufacture the scanning machines.


8 posted on 11/14/2010 2:13:21 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Yet_Again
with a healthy dose of common sense

Never an ingredient in a bureaucratic recipe.

9 posted on 11/14/2010 2:16:10 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Yet_Again

This would cause too many hurt “feelin’s” in America and we don’t want to do that.

“Feelin’s” is way more important than survival. We don’t want to “be dissing” anyone or hurting their “self-esteem”.


10 posted on 11/14/2010 2:21:56 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, rig ht here, right now, courtesy of Islam and illegal immigration.)
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To: garyhope

“This would cause too many hurt “feelin’s” in America and we don’t want to do that.”

Our enemy will shove a few pounds of C4 up their wazzoo before they get on the plane,,and detonate their own colon at altitude. And we pass out from fright that we might hurt someone’s feelings. Quite a contrast.

If this war was a sport, the commentator would have to say, “they clearly wanted it more than Team USA did”,,,


11 posted on 11/14/2010 2:40:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Yet_Again

Somehow I just can’t picture the current TSA staff as effective profilers with common sense.


12 posted on 11/14/2010 2:47:28 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: hamboy

America: BAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa


13 posted on 11/14/2010 2:49:58 PM PST by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: hamboy

You just need to follow the money to find out who is profiting from the sale of the scanners. I’m sure it will lead to big DNC donors.

Big Sis and the administration would rather reward their supporters and follow the PC route by groping the public’s breasts and testicles than go after the most likely terrorism candidates.


14 posted on 11/14/2010 2:50:55 PM PST by O6ret (for)
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To: Hulka

Yeah, their comment is usually this one: “Whatever it takes to keep us safe”! “Whatever” it takes???? It’ll be that shortly.


15 posted on 11/14/2010 2:52:36 PM PST by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Is profiling, ie statistical use of race and religion actually illegal by statute, or is it a matter of the government sucking up to and not wishing to P/O the muzzie vote at the expense of violating the privacy of Americans?


16 posted on 11/14/2010 3:03:10 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: ab01

>> As a flight crew member for many years, I can assure you that profiling has gone on for decades.

With all cops - yes. With German airport police - yes. With Israelis - hell, yes. And a few other others. Certainly NOT in the ranks of the recently retired “You want fries with that?” TSA ranks.
They never look people in the eye. They never engage you in conversation, looking for what EVERY cop looks for in every casual chat with the citizens: Defiance and deception. Duh.

(From a retired major airline B-767 captain - 31 years of airline service with four airlines.)


17 posted on 11/14/2010 3:12:54 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: hamboy

As other posters have pointed out, the best way to fight against these stupid machines is for everyone to dress like Osama Bin Laden when we fly.


18 posted on 11/14/2010 3:17:29 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: SumProVita
Profile and use common sense!

Of course, the cultural Marxists don't want logic and reason because we would dump all of their socialism. That is why reason and logic and science have been thrown out of our school system. The Progressives inserted collectivist feelings (use base instincts) to condition the minds instead of giving them true knowledge so they can't think rationally. That is why we have obamas and oprahs.

19 posted on 11/14/2010 3:20:16 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: hamboy

Two chief differences between TSA and Isaeli airport security.

First and most important, they use Professional security/military people in their screening area vs TSA (HS dropout or unemployable moron)

The second is they are trained to look for deception.

The fastest way out of Israel is to try and outwit a security officer. Your visa will be revoked and you will be immediately deported.


20 posted on 11/14/2010 3:30:35 PM PST by Zathras
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bttt


21 posted on 11/14/2010 3:46:41 PM PST by Matchett-PI (This is a RESTRAINING ORDER not merely an 'election' ~ PJ O'Rourke.)
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To: Zathras

Another thing we do wrong is we don’t secure our airports farther out. Any terrorist could do major damage just walking in the doors. A bunch at a time and we would have hundreds of deaths or injuries.

We don’t want to expend the time and effort needed to do security. The argument is that Israel is so small so it’s easier for them.

Instead we use such stupid methods and it’s getting worse.


22 posted on 11/14/2010 3:53:10 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Jacquerie

I don’t know.


23 posted on 11/14/2010 4:01:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: ab01

SERIOUSLY.

We don’t want an innocent person who happens to be Muslim to “get a bad feeling” if we profile him because some of his co-religionists have done evil and we are trying to prevent them doing more.

But it’s OK to grope and Xray our Grandmas’ and little kids’ crotches.

WHERE IS ANY SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG HERE???

Political correctness is not, actually, a god. We need to stop worshipping it.

Stop putting political correctness, or what it actually is, the fear of being called a racist, at the pinnacle of the government’s priorities. It screams “We are patsies. Take our planes and blow them up!”


24 posted on 11/14/2010 4:23:50 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: All

Related (TSA ejects man from airport):
http://tinyurl.com/34kmum8


25 posted on 11/14/2010 4:27:27 PM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23)
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To: SumProVita

It’s effective. That’s why CAIR tried suing civilians for reporting the suspicious BEHAVIOR of the “flying imams”. The only effective safeguard is when people are looking for TERRORISTS rather than just looking for devices. You can always hide a device, but to change human nature and instinct is much harder. The Milennium Plot was foiled because one woman felt something was not right. It works.

That’s why the Muzzies have to threaten us all with bankrupting lawsuits if we report suspicious BEHAVIOR. But if we ever get to a point where we can’t discriminate on the basis of BEHAVIOR, then we need to empty all the jails and just give up on this whole civilization thing.

Which is precisely what CAIR and the Muzzies are trying to get us to do. If we don’t figure out a way to say no to them, we can kiss civilization good-bye.


26 posted on 11/14/2010 4:42:59 PM PST by butterdezillion (.)
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To: elpinta

This guy should be the hero that starts the ball rolling. My hat is off to him. (OK; I don’t wear a hat. But I wave my hair to him, for sure.)


27 posted on 11/14/2010 4:53:25 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Zathras

My wife and I returned from a Holy Land tour last June. We had to pass through something like 12 or 13 possible screening points. The very first was being stopped on the airport roadway at a toll booth-like checkpoint. Our bus was sent to the side of the road where an IDF soldier with AK47 entered the bus, spoke to the driver and tour guide, then walked down the aisle looking at every single face.

Next we entered the airport. There are plain clothes security at the entrances watching everyone entering. You can only begin the check-in procedure 2 hours before your flight. You proceed to an area where your checked bags will be run through the X-ray machine while you stand by. While waiting you are interviewed by an IDF person, your passport is reviewed, and its photo is held up next to your face. Lots of questions, and everyone is questioned here. If answers not right, you are pulled out of the line. Then your bags go through the X-ray machine. If the inspector is not comfortable you and your bags are taken aside and you have to open your bags for inspection.

After that, you get to walk over to the airline counter and check your bags in and turn in your ticket. You are not done yet. You have to pass through metal detectors and have your carry-on bags checked out. Then there is immigration to review your passport and stamp it with an exit visa. It just keeps going on and on. Even at the gate, you are questioned and may again have your carry-on bags searched. I have missed some of the other checkpoints. As I recall, I counted a total of 12 or 13 possible points at which a passenger could be screened but may not have be selected to be screened. Believe me, they profile to the hilt. They know what to ask and how to put you on the spot.


28 posted on 11/14/2010 6:06:33 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: hamboy

BECAUSE IT IS THE FLIPPING BRAIN OF THESE IDIOTS THAT ARE DANGEROUS!!!!!

Sheesh! It’s almost like the TSA is staffed by absolute idiots!

Oh, wait...


29 posted on 11/14/2010 6:08:57 PM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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To: Yaelle

“We don’t want an innocent person who happens to be Muslim to “get a bad feeling”

I do. I want them to get such a bad feeling that they get out of my country.

In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

One other thing that Ferdinand and Isabella did that year was to expel the last of the mooselimbs from Spain.

Ten years ago I told a limey acquaintance that they would bitterly regret not expelling the mooselimbs from Great Britain. He became furious.

I wonder what he thinks about that now.


30 posted on 11/14/2010 7:29:32 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Zathras

“TSA (HS dropout or unemployable moron)”

I think “human resources” doctrine is partly to blame for that. Low wages, of course, are the primary cause, but if someone with impressive credentials applies, he is rejected for being “overqualified.” So, they end up giving the job to someone for whom that low wage is appropriate: as you said, a dropout or a moron.


31 posted on 11/14/2010 7:34:20 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Venturer

Actually, these were some of Old George’s flunkies, specifically a Republican from NY, Senator D’Amato.

“If you’ve seen one of these scanners at an airport, there’s a good chance it was made by L-3 Communications, a major contractor with the Department of Homeland Security. L-3 employs three different lobbying firms including Park Strategies, where former Sen. Al D’Amato, R-N.Y., plumps on the company’s behalf. Back in 1989, President George H.W. Bush appointed D’Amato to the President’s Commission on Aviation Security and Terrorism following the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103. Also on Park’s L-3 account is former Appropriations staffer Kraig Siracuse.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/_Naked-scanners__-Lobbyists-join-the-war-on-terror-1540901-107548388.html#ixzz15SmVrs3C


32 posted on 11/16/2010 9:09:57 AM PST by laigaie
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To: laigaie

Crooks everywhere you look


33 posted on 11/16/2010 9:25:17 AM PST by Venturer
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