Posted on 05/04/2009 9:31:49 AM PDT by nyscof
These findings of raised fluoride sialic acid and alkaline phosphatase levels in osteosarcoma patients indicate that raised fluoride levels stimulate osteoblastic activity. Also, this report proves a link between raised fluoride levels in serum and osteosarcoma.
NOW they put fluoride in water AND market it for BABIES. Baby’s mom (an M.D.) left a jug at my house (2 years ago). I was shocked,wouldn’t even water house plants with it, poured it down the drain, straight away.
Fluoride in the water is different from that in toothpaste. When in the water it goes to the developing teeth. In toothpaste it goes to the erupted teeth.
I don’t think anyone especially kids drink enough tap water to make a difference.
I said it might make economic sense. Someone who already has a softener or is getting one for its major purpose (eliminating hardness minerals such as calcium and magnesium) can have the special resin added. This resin in normal use will never be used up. The same salt that provides the sodium to abate the hardness minerals will at no extra cost provide the chloride to replace the fluoride. I would personally feel leery of any other system (besides reverse osmosis) that says it can get rid of fluoride at typical fluoridation levels for a year without regeneration.
Well, it is the original form of “drinking the Kool-Aid.”
What a waste, your house plants could have been cavity free.
Well, it is. Just because it doesn’t involve second rate clinics with long waiting lists and the usual banes we think of when we think of a socialized medical system, doesn’t hide what it is seeking to do. What would you think if we insisted all public water had to be fortified with Vitamin C?
They don’t say it lasts for a specific time period. They say it’s good for 1,000 gallons. For us, that’s about a year, I think.
http://www.berkeyfilters.com/fluoride.htm
http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkeytech.htm
BUT, my septic tank must be pearly-white.
“What would you think if we insisted all public water had to be fortified with Vitamin C?”
They’re not
Wait! Vitamin C.
Now who was the advocate for vitamin C?
Why Linus Pauling!
Linus Pauling - That Oregon born (we know everyone from there is a Red), Nobel winning (They only award to socialists), Communist Party sympathizing denier (Meaning that OF COURSE he was a Commie).
Q: What would you think if we insisted all public water had to be fortified with Vitamin C?
A: I’d be forced to think that it’s a Communist plot
seeing as dentistry is a subset of medical training, this flouride thing is medicine. when the government mandates it and makes you pay for it, if you want it or not, that is socialistic. the benifits are minor, the potential drawbacks might be deadly. it is wasteful as maybe only 1% of the flouridated water is consumed, the other 99% is put on lawns, gardens, and used for washing.
the benifit of flouride for teeth does not require the injestion of the flouride, so why are we injesting it??? (note the warning on fluoridated toothpaste: “Do NOT swallow”)
not only is this socialist, it like most all gtovernment mandates is wasteful, 99% of the drug is wasted in toilets, showers, gardens and lawns, heck I even wash my car with this drug.
I’ll take free choice any day.
Please dont die yet, there is more to hear.
I've been on reverse osmosis water and low/no fluoride foods since Dec. '99. It's made a world of difference in my quality of life (minimal back and joint pain, etc.).
OK. So do you believe it’s still OK to test the hypothesis that fluoride could cause bone cancer on over 300 million American people even though evidence shows fluoride is NOT reducing tooth decay - especially in the primary teeth.
Tooth decay is a diet-related disease. No amount of fluoride can help anyone who eats poorly and can’t afford to go to a dentist
Fluoridation is ineffective at reducing tooth decay, harmful to health (it’s more than cancer)and a waste of money
Apparently mine did. Fluorosis was common in teeth in kids in Midland. It was naturally full of the stuff.
Yes, but your water had way more fluoride than is added to municipal supplies.
Yes, I agree with that. The interesting thing is we didn’t drink city water at home, we used at bottled water when they were little (the city water was nasty!) We got an RO system when they were a little older. Not sure how much fluoride comes thru that.
Actually, yours is the knee jerk reaction. The study highlighted is the latest study in a string of studies showing fluoride is linked to cancer. Since fluoride builds up in bones and teeth, it’s clear that bone would also be a cancer site.
However, after reviewing hundreds of fluoride/fluoridation toxicology studies over a three and a half year period, a panel of experts representing the prestigious National Research Council revealed that fluoride, even at the low doses added to water supplies is health damaging, especially to diabetics, other high water drinkers, thyroid and kidney patients and babies. They found fluoride’s link to cancer and lowered IQ plausible.
Yet it took you a few minutes and no research to conclude fluoridation is safe.
Since fluoridation is not reducing tooth decay, no further study is needed. If fluoridation wasn’t such a political issue with organized dentistry, our legislators wouldn’t have a push-back as happens all across the US when a legislative body stops fluoridation.
Fluoride is not stopping cavities and is causing discolored teeth, is reported in several studies presented at the American Association for Dental Research’s annual meeting, March 8 – 11, 2006, in Orlando, Florida.
For example:
— Researchers following children from birth, starting in 1991- 1995 (Iowa Fluoride Study), found almost double the dental fluorosis in early erupting permanent teeth of 9 year-olds drinking optimally fluoridated water compared to children drinking sub-optimally fluoridated water (41% vs. 21%); but no less tooth decay.(1)
— Researchers found no significant relationship between fluoride exposure and cavities in permanent teeth of 6 to 9-year-olds in Campeche, Mexico(2). Previously, it was reported that 56% of this group has dental fluorosis.(3)
— A U.S. national study reports cavity prevalence increased by 15% in 2 to 5-year-olds, in surveys taken between 1988-1994 and 1999-2002,(4) despite 60 years of water fluoridation reaching 2/3 of Americans on public water supplies and virtually 100% via the food supply. However, the Centers for Disease Control report that 1/3 to 1/2 of U.S. schoolchildren display dental fluorosis.(4a)
— Another U.S. study shows that breastfed children have less cavities than non-breastfed.(5) even though breast milk has 100 times less fluoride than dentists claim is optimal to reduce cavities. Breastfeeding is also protective against fluorosis.(5a)
— Although New York City fluoridated in 1965, NYC children of Chinese descent suffer a much higher prevalence and severity of tooth decay than the national average (63% vs 38%). (6)
— About half of 7 to14-year-old children from fluoridated Rochester, NY, have cavities. Latino children had significantly higher caries experience than African-American and Caucasian children, thus indicating that disparities exist among different ethnic groups even when the water is fluoridated.(7)
— In fluoridated Detroit, 91% of African American low-income children, 5 years and younger, have tooth decay.(8)
These studies add to a growing body of evidence pointing to fluoride’s ineffectiveness and lack of safety: See:
References: http://tinyurl.com/5q7ldo
There’s more:
— A study in the Fall 2008 Journal of Public Health Dentistry reveals that cavity-free teeth have little to do with fluoride intake. The authors write, “The benefits of fluoride are mostly topical…while fluorosis is clearly more dependent on fluoride intake.” They further explain tha,t when fluoridation began in the 1940’s, “it was believed that fluoride needed to be ingested early in life to provide
[cavity] prevention…Today, evidence suggests that…the benefits of fluoride are mostly topical.”
— Researchers reporting in the Oct 6 2007 British Medical Journal (BMJ) indicate that fluoridation, touted as a safe
cavity preventive, never was proven safe or effective and may be unethical. Cavity rates declined equally in fluoridated and non-fluoridated European countries. “This trend has occurred regardless of the concentration of fluoride in water or the use of fluoridated salt is reported.
—Even when fluoridated water is the most consumed item, cavities are extensive when diets are poor, according to a 2007 Caries Research article. Burt and colleagues studied low-income African-American adults, 14-
years-old and over, living in Detroit, Michigan, where water suppliers add fluoride chemicals attempting to prevent cavities. Yet, 83%of this population has severe tooth decay and diets high in sugars and fats,
and low in fruits and vegetables. “The most frequently reported food on a daily basis was tap water,”
write Burt’s research team. Second were soft drinks and third were
potato chips.
— Tooth decay in fluoridated Detroit’s toddlers’ teeth is also
shocking. Almost all of Detroit’s five-year-olds have cavities; most
of them go unfilled, according to Ismail et al (2006 IADR) Severity of Dental Caries Among African American Children in Detroit
— After over 50 years of water fluoridation, many children in Newburgh,
New York have more cavities and more fluoride-caused discolored teeth
(dental fluorosis) than children in never-fluoridated Kingston, New
York, according to a New York State Department of Health study published in the New York State Dental Journal(”Recommendations for Fluoride Use in children” February 1998)
—
Despite a 73% fluoridation rate, severe tooth decay is responsible for two thirds of hospital visits by children under six in New York State . In New York City, fluoridated since 1965, more children required cavity-related hospitalizations, proportionately, than two of New York State’s largest non-fluoridated counties, Suffolk and Nassau (Long island) whether payment was made by Medicaid or privately.(Early Childhood Caries-related Visits to Hospitals for Ambulatory Surgery in New York State,” Kumar et al., Journal of Public Health Dentistry , Winter 2003)
This is how Jonathan Kozol explains life in the fluoridated South Bronx (a NYC borough) in his book, Savage Inequalities, “Bleeding gums, impacted teeth and rotting teeth are routine matters for children..... Children live for months with pain that grown-ups would find unendurable. …I have seen children with teeth that look like brownish, broken sticks. I have seen teenagers who were missing half their teeth....”
— “It may...be that fluoridation of drinking water does not have a strong protective effect against early childhood caries (ECC),” reports dentist Howard Pollick, University of California, and colleagues, in the Winter 2003 Journal of Public Health Dentistry
— Watch Pollick hesitatingly tell a legislator that infant formula should not be mixed with fluoridated water.
http://www.youtube.com/user/davidkennedydds
— Despite living without fluoridated water, rural children’s cavity rates equal those of urban children, who are
more likely to drink fluoridated water, according to a large national government study of over 24,000 U.S. children, ages 2- to 17-year-old (Journal of Rural Health, Summer 2003, “Oral Health Status of
Children and Adolescents by Rural Residence, United States.” by
Vargas et al.)
— Dental examinations of 4800 South Australian
ten- to fifteen-year-olds’ permanent teeth reveal unexpected results -
similar cavity rates whether they drink fluoridated water or not,
reports Armfield and Spencer in the August 2004 “Community Dentistry
and Oral Epidemiology”
More evidence that fluoridaton is not stopping tooth decay and therefore not saving money
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/index.html
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