Since May 6, 1999
"All which a man without authority can give, -- his unbiased opinion, his honest advice, and his best reasons."
We therefore see that where Tories meant to leave things unchanged and to unflinchingly preserve, the Old Whigs, such as Burke, were true reformers who meant to conserve by carefull reform as time and culture progressed and changed.
You can have all the democracy you want, all the free trade you can foster, all the metaphysical Rights you can write on volumes of paper, but if you don't have Prescriptive Property Rights enforced by a Settled Order and formula for recognition under the Rule of Law, and of course, the type of Ordered Liberty that is translating day-by-day into Justice, you will have no prosperity and no liberty.
What is conservatism and how is it distinguished from the root word "conserve" often thought to be a defining and limiting decription of the overall group of principles?
Conservatives arent, as is often claimed, the trolls standing athwart the path of history, yelling, Stop!
Instead, they are those that are aware of the value of what they have inherited: their heritage, their patrimony, their culture. Understanding that the best way to preserve those things is by slow and careful change and reform made in, and by, the time honored and settled means accepted in an ordered society, they work for preservation through innovation. We should understand conservative in a political sense by relating to the root word and how it relates to the definition of "save". That is what conservatism does: it saves what is of value in our culture and society; indeed saves our nation.
God may save us. Our institutions surely won't.
conservatives know that change for changes sake produces upheaval, injustice and takes from one for another. Knowing the imperfectability of man, they have a rightful distrust of his schemes, calculations and metaphysics and instead trust in mankind, as a whole, and their Maker.
President Taft confronted the issue of so-called Human Rights in 1912 recoginizing them for what they were, a construct meant to trump Property Rights. I have stolen a find from nicolo as follows. Taft stated:
It has been said, and it is a common platform expression, that it is well to prefer the man above the dollar, as if the preservation of property rights has some other purpose than the assistance to and the uplifting of human rights. Private property was not established in order to gratify love of some material wealth or capital. It was established as an instrumentality in the progress of civilization and the uplifting of man, and it is equality of opportunity that private property promotes by assuring to man the result of his own labor, thrift, and self-restraint.
When, therefore, the demagogue mounts the platform and announces that he prefers the man above the dollar, he ought to be interrogated as to what he means thereby -- whether he is in favor of abolishing the right of the institution of private property and of taking away from the poor man the opportunity to become wealthy by the use of the abilities that God has given him, the cultivation of the virtues with which practice of self-restraint and the exercise of moral courage will fortify him.
“The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? ... Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?” President Donald J. Trump - July 6, 2017
A fellow freeper asked me to save a particular post I made to be refered to by others, so here it is below.
To make a flip reply, I would contend that you transposed your political terms when you said:
the only difference between a liberal and conservative in my opinion is that while both may have the same views, a liberal is not going to use legislation to force his/her views onto others.
Why do I contend that you may ask? Well from history, I would reply. If you look at all of modern society from the French Revolution on, liberals or as I would have it, militant leftists, have in country after country, age after age, done nothing more than force their views onto others through centralized legislation or decree.
Leftist law is (1) centralized; (2) always expressed as the "will of the people", the only answer, or Majority Rule; and (3) always rationalistic and formed fresh from metaphysical opinion, leaving society disrupted and unsettled.
On the other hand, conservative societies have always had law originate as close to local units as possible. It has always based its law on respect for settled Order, relying on custom, convention and accepted prescriptive rights to form law in a preserving manner. Preserving what is good and reforming carefully what hasn't continued to assist Order.
Why do I use the term Order?
Because first and foremost, conservatives believe in an Enduring Moral Order. Such for Man and such for the State.
Belief in that Enduring Moral Order helps avoid the flawed nature of man, his imperfectability, and that nature showing itself in his passions, rationality, metaphysical constructs and schemes for earthly salvation through those traits expressed in government.
A conservative then, avoids his own opinion when constructing, preserving and reforming the State as he attends to the duty of preservation. He uses instead of his opinion, the settled and respected culture and the Moral Order mirrored by the best of his patrimony to form his laws and execute public government.
Legislators of the leftist mind or the conservative mind therefore utilize just the opposite of what you claim.
Likewise, executives and judges of the conservative sensibility, execute their oaths and set aside their opinions and personal morality, unlike the leftists in such positions that always claim a crisis makes them reach for "justice", "equality", "human rights" and other things they redefine from moment to moment.
We could go to Lincoln for an example, but lets just look to Florida. The young child Elian is seized at gun point by the leftist Attorney General and in this Easter's tragic events the sworn conservative Governor must serve his oath and leave aside his personal anguish for justice and moral right.
I relish our individual helplessness in the face of evil. It guarantees a thoughtful people will work for reform and wrestle power from a judicial arm run amok.
13 posted on 03/25/2005 12:30:23 AM CST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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Another fine quote to have for easy reference is from Roger Baldwin the Founder of the ACLU:
"I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those that produce wealth: Communism is the Goal"Now isn't that revealing counterpoint to their supposed mission statements?
This truely vile Immigration Reform Bill brings to mind a quotation from Burke when speaking of the French he says what we can style for the Senior Senators:
"It cannot at this time be too often repeated; line upon line; precept upon precept; until it comes into the currency of a proverb, to innovate is not to reform. The..." [Senior Senators]"...complained of everything; they refused to reform anything; and they left nothing, no, nothing at all unchanged. The consequences are before us,not in remote history; not in future prognostication: they are about us; they are upon us. They shake the public security; they menace private enjoyment. They dwarf the growth of the young; they break the quiet of the old. If we travel, they stop our way. They infest us in town; they pursue us to the country. Our business is interrupted; our repose is troubled; our pleasures are saddened; our very studies are poisoned and perverted, and knowledge is rendered worse than ignorance, by the enormous evils of this dreadful innovation."
-1984 Part 1, Chapter 5 (with a hat-tip to KarlInOhio)
You put them first, and they put you last. Cause youre a chump. A political chump! Any time you throw your weight behind a political party that controls two-thirds of the government, and that party cant keep the promise that it made to you during election time, and you are dumb enough to walk around continuing to identify yourself with that party youre not only a chump but youre a traitor to your race. Malcolm X
It is the enrollment and compliance website that doesn't work and has never worked for a healthcare takeover that doesn't work and will never work, sold to service a constituancy that doesn't work and has never worked to pay for their own healthcare.
Frederick Douglass, August 3, 1857
'Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth'
-- Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
My wife says that social welfare programs were implemented to be a safety net not a hammock.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
From an email...
From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.
A Grand Jury had been empaneled.
Governments from around the world had donated to the Charity.
Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those Donations to the Clinton Foundation were declared.
Hmmm, now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.
Guess who took over this investigation in 2002?
Bet you cant guess.
No other than James Comey.
Now, thats interesting, isnt it?
Guess who was transferred in to the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS?
Your friend and mine, Lois Be on The Look Out (BOLO) Lerner.
Now, thats interesting, isnt it?
It gets better, well not really, but this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?
Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?
No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States, Rod Rosenstein.
Now, thats interesting, isnt it?
Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this timeframe???
I know, its a miracle, just a coincidence, just an anomaly in statistics and chances, Robert Mueller.
What do all four casting characters have in common?
They all were briefed and/or were front line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.
Now thats just a coincidence, right?
Ok, lets chalk the last one up to mere chance.
Lets fast forward to 2009.
James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.
Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, on her own personal email server by the way.
The Uranium One issue comes to the attention of the Hillary.
Like all good public servants do, you know looking out for Americas best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.
Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasnt, the People got absolutely nothing out of it.
However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.
Ok, no big deal right?
Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.
Guess who was the FBI Director during this timeframe?
Yep, Robert Mueller.
He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.
Guess who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorneys Office in Maryland.
No other than, Rod Rosenstein.
Guess what happened to the informant?
The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.
How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?
Guess what happened soon after the sale was approved?
~145 million dollars in donations made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.
Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division?
No other than, Lois Lerner.
Ok, thats all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?
Lets fast forward to 2015.
Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 investigations the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server.
He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her Public Service as Secretary of State which was required by law.
He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.
Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary.
Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013?
Guess who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer.
No other than James Comey.
Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?
Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the Clinton Email Investigation after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner Matter at the Internal Revenue Service and exonerates her.
Nope couldnt find any crimes there.
Can you guess what happened next?
In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy.
They didnt even convene a Grand Jury.
Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true Gangsta Homey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.
Can you see the pattern?
It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General, Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.
FISA Abuse, political espionage..... pick a crime, any crime, chances are...... this group and a few others did it.
All the same players.
All compromised and conflicted.
20 posted on 5/17/2018, 8:39:02 AM by PGalt
The Ukraine war is a proxy war between two factions of the left. The old anti-authoritarian left has been marginalized, and they aren’t one of the warring factions. It’s between the nationalist neo-Stalinist left and transnational corporatist progressivism.
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"The meaning of peace,” Karl Marx said, “is the absence of opposition to socialism.”
have thought recently about writing an essay detailing my understanding of this event — The great American Dumpster Fire. As Orwell so plainly set out for us, so much of it is controlled by language.
This essay is well intended but as all writers learn, the editor can ruin it all in writing the Headline or Title of the piece. Democracy, as others have pointed out already, is not what we had, intended or longed to possess.
A Representative Government of diffuse powers with various functionaries limited by each other and put in temporary office by various electoral means including election, appointment and transitory methods was the goal of our forebears.
The ancient Greeks had a mandatory Democracy that presided over the death of one of their city states: Athens. My reading of the details shows that this male property owner, mandatory participation and job holding polity was put in place by a branch of the Nobility that knew its faction was not strong enough to long prevail. It wanted a stalking horse, a false front that it could indirectly control, not by its own forces but by the force of the mob.
What was it that was so notable about the birth of History in the study of the Peloponnesian War where the Good Guys caused death, excess, brutality and falsehood outdoing the Bad Guys?
Why did our well read forefathers lament the rise of King Numbers (as they referred to democracy) and rail against it shouting Republic, Republic, Republic?
A Tyranny by a mathematical faction is still a tyranny. One Man, One Vote, One Time.