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Disarmament Hasn’t Worked In England, But No One Admits It
American Handgunner ^ | Sept/Oct 2001 | Jeff Snyder

Posted on 09/21/2001 10:46:04 AM PDT by tarawa

Disarmament Hasn’t Worked In England, But No One Admits It

Values are not derived from facts, and do not “follow” from facts. Thus, a correction in a person’s state of knowledge by the addition of new or correct facts does not, presto-chango, alter a person’s values. For this reason, one can never “win” a gun control debate by replacing or correcting the opposition’s false facts with true facts.

The facts are not why anti-gunners believe what they believe. In fact, the facts are often merely justifications for what they want to believe. At best, new facts may lead a person to re-evaluate his values, but, even then, the facts do not determine the values.

Consider as a case in point the fact that the English press is beginning to learn that the universal pistol ban enacted in 1997 following the Dunblane massacre has not delivered the country from gun crimes. And consider the reaction to this news.

In an article titled “Britain’s Tough Gun Control Laws Termed Total Failure” appearing in the May 3-16 issue of Britain’s venerable Punch magazine, Peter Woolrich writes:

“Four years after the Dunblane massacre, Britain’s tighter gun laws have failed completely... There are now an estimated 3 million illegal firearms in the UK, perhaps double the number of four years ago, and the only effect the knee-jerk political reaction that led to the Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1997 has had is to shut down legitimate gun clubs.

“The new research suggests that in some areas a third of young criminals, classed as those aged 15 to 25 with convictions, own or have access to guns ranging from Beretta sub-machine guns to Luger pistols... ‘There is a move from the pistol and shotgun to automatic weapons,’ says Detective Superintendent Keith Hudson of the National Crime Squad. ‘We are recovering weapons that are relatively new– and sometimes still in their boxes from eastern European countries.’

“Home office figures soon to be released will show that, overall, armed crime rose 10 percent in 1998...”

Additional Proof
The article goes on to favorably quote Bill Harriman, a spokesman for the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, who criticizes the current legislation for focusing on the law-abiding instead of being directed at illegally-held firearms. The article further pointedly notes that “...the government had plenty of evidence at its disposal to realize that simply banning certain types of weapons is ineffective. For example, fully-automatics have been prohibited since 1937, but it has not stopped criminals from using them.”

Now with these facts, the author could go in at least two directions. He could use this information as the beginning of an examination of whether gun control is a valid or effective means of securing reductions in crime, for example, by questioning whether it ever can in fact succeed, or whether it imposes too high a price on the law-abiding. Alternatively, he could take it as evidence that not enough restrictions have yet been enacted.

At this point we are on pins and needles! What, oh what, will our British author do? What direction will his values or his “knee-jerk response” take him?

The article concludes by examining existing loopholes and inconsistencies in the current law, such as the fact that it did not control access to ammunition and permitted persons who could not acquire or own pistols to acquire and own shotguns, and criticizes the “laxity” of the Dunblane legislation.

It quotes the Home Affairs Committee recommendation that “...the time is now right for Parliament to address the entire issue and produce an completely new Firearms Act. Any lesser step will be insufficient.”

Nowhere does the article argue that new legislation could or should re-establish pistol ownership by law-abiding members of shooting clubs, let alone raise the issue of whether people have a right to the means to self-defense.

Knee-Jerk Response
One of the interesting, and revealing, things about the article is its seemingly tough criticism of Parliament for a “knee-jerk” political and ultimately ineffectual response, which, the article implies, Parliament should have known would not work.

By sheer coincidence, my wife and I were in England at the time the Dunblane legislation and report were being considered. The English media and populace were absolutely rabid for the banning of pistols. Leaders of sportsmen’s clubs who appeared on television, wrote op-ed pieces or lobbied Parliament to defend the rights of law-abiding citizens to own and shoot pistols for sport– self-defense is a taboo subject– were simply savaged in the papers and on television.

Often the strongest and angriest criticism was that, by resisting the proposed ban, the country’s pistol owners were not respecting the grief of the parents whose children had been massacred!

One would never know any of this reading the Punch article. The way it is written, one would think the poor English people were blameless in the outcome, patiently sitting by expectantly, and hoping merely that the experts in Parliament would protect and serve them well. And then, lo and behold, the bumblers simply did the most expedient and easy thing.

Sure, a “complete ban” sounded good, it played well on television, but ultimately– and they should have known this– it would prove ineffectual. And now, now, things are worse. By George, this time, they better get it right!

Refusal To Charge
And this refusal of the author to charge the people with their own stupidity and cupidity, this refusal of the people to own up and take responsibility, is symptomatic. In the end, the article exhibits the same response as the original response to Dunblane. We bear no responsibility for ourselves; we take nothing upon ourselves. Government must do something to protect us.

Close those loopholes, clamp down further. Evil still works unencumbered, and you, our protectors, must stop it.

It is this underlying “knee-jerk” reflex, this utter and childish dependency of the individual and society upon government, this learned helplessness, this presumption that the individual cannot act, that only the state can act, which is the reason for the prohibition on pistols.

This valuelessness of the individual, this timidity, this rejection of personal responsibility, is why mounting revelations of the ineffectualness of gun laws lead only to demands for more and more restraints, and why the facts prove powerless to change men’s minds. It is not information that is lacking. It’s that there’s no there there.


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1 posted on 09/21/2001 10:46:04 AM PDT by tarawa
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To: bang_list
bang!
2 posted on 09/21/2001 11:30:01 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: tarawa
Regardless of what people deserve or don't deserve, giving up freedom to acquire safety only works halfway. It will reduce your freedom; it won't increase your safety.
3 posted on 09/21/2001 11:34:06 AM PDT by Barak
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To: tarawa
Australia makes a much more dramatic case against "gun control". It happened much quicker there, and has resulted in a literal blood bath.

Luke 22:36 (KJV) --Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Got sword? (M1 Garand ==>CMP)

No mercy, no quarter!
May the jihadists burn in hell for eternity!
Help speed them on their way!

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4 posted on 09/21/2001 12:08:39 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: VW-Cat-Man
Maybe the fact that there were 18 gun killings in London compared to over 300 in Washington last year should suggest something, even to ignorant, stupid, mindless, gung-ho Yanks. The Land of the free........that's why every email you send, every direct message coversation you have, every phonecall you make is monitored. You idiots really out to wake up.......
6 posted on 09/25/2001 2:56:16 PM PDT by cerin
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To: cerin
that's why every email you send, every direct message coversation you have, every phonecall you make is monitored. You idiots really out to wake up.......

And yours isn't? Wake up to the wonderful world of Echelon my friend. How many overall murders were there in London last year? It doesn't take a gun to commit a murder. At least we have the Constitution and Bill of Rights to protect us from illegal search and seizure.....what have you got? Nada.
7 posted on 09/25/2001 3:05:37 PM PDT by Untouchable
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To: Untouchable
Oops....should have known. Cerin, member since September 25th 2001.
8 posted on 09/25/2001 3:09:13 PM PDT by Untouchable
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To: Untouchable
What does the date of my joining have to do with anything!!? Your wonderful 'Consistution' has really protected the citizens of the USA, hasn't it !!!!!!!!!!!? (so long as you're not indiginous, black, breathe air.........) It's just another piece of propaganda, that has worked perfectly - lulling ignorant idiots (Yanks) into a false sense of security........ Put your hand on your heart and sing your anthem.......
9 posted on 09/25/2001 3:28:55 PM PDT by cerin
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To: cerin
Well, my friend, my Constitution says I can shoot back personally, and when a burglar decided to come through my window with a knife I had a gun - yes, it really happened. In Britain he'd walk and I'd be in jail. Whose side are YOU on?
10 posted on 09/25/2001 3:34:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: cerin
Then you should really be worried about Londons' future, Washington D.C. has banned guns for years, I think they banned them back in the late 60's
11 posted on 09/25/2001 3:37:29 PM PDT by E.Allen
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To: cerin
Dude, I think you are at the wrong website. I think you are looking for:

Limeysfortolerancemakeexcellentterroristtargets.com
12 posted on 09/25/2001 3:42:14 PM PDT by Untouchable
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To: cerin
>>>What does the date of my joining have to do with anything!!? <<<

Because you are disruptor, that's why.

13 posted on 09/25/2001 3:43:02 PM PDT by chadmaster
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To: abuse
Clean up a aisle 6...
14 posted on 09/25/2001 3:44:27 PM PDT by chadmaster
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To: tarawa
Disarmament has worked in England. It has removed weapons from the hands and homes of law abiding citizens and left them defenseless. It's not about crime, it's about power. The criminals, being opportunists, just prey on the defenseless; the state will prey on the defenseless when it suits them.
15 posted on 09/25/2001 3:45:55 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: E.Allen
I was about to mention that, myself. No guns in Washington D.C. except in the hands of the criminals. There's a reason why it's the Murder Capital of the U.S. and that's it. It won't be very long before London follows in its footsteps.
16 posted on 09/25/2001 3:48:58 PM PDT by Green Knight
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To: E.Allen
Statistically, you're far more likely to kill yourself in a gun accident, than be killed by a burglar.......so, where's the common sense......!!?!!!? It seems you Yanks are lacking completely in common sense and logic, maybe because of your consuming xenophobia and paranoia.........doom and gloom that the religious right, and their equally extreme righties are peddling.......what you're all gonna loose, and who's gonna take it.....it's the shot to turn heads, while the killer shot is aiming from above the picket fence........
17 posted on 09/25/2001 3:50:31 PM PDT by cerin
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To: cerin
I have little respect for people who can't seem to overthrow their own monarchy. The numbers of people on the public dole in England and Ireland is abysmal. Do they cry to their leaders to work on trade and economy so they can have their own businesses? No, they sit at home and get their check and the working Brits are stuck with the enormous tax bills. Hurrah for England.......not.
18 posted on 09/25/2001 3:54:21 PM PDT by Untouchable
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To: cerin
It seems you Yanks are lacking completely in common sense and logic, maybe because of your consuming xenophobia and paranoia.

If you were logical and had even a modicum of common sense, you wouldn't use such ridiculous generalizations to describe people about whom you know absolutely nothing. Your ignorance is appalling. There's a home for you at DU.

19 posted on 09/25/2001 4:00:30 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: cerin
Little loose with the "YOUs" there, aren't you?

You spelled "sarin" wrong, BTW.

20 posted on 09/25/2001 4:01:40 PM PDT by FrogMom
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