Posted on 07/27/2007 5:39:58 PM PDT by neverdem
..sure wants Bush impeached because he's removeing our north and south borders."
Does she mention the NAU in your conversations?
"Obviously, I missed that in the news."
That's right. You will not hear much about The North American Union in the MSM.
I left those out because this is an ostensibly conservative forum. I imagined that the actions of those Democrats was already pretty self-evident and didn’t need mentioning.
Well, there you have it, folks; possibly the best single argument against the candidacy of Ron Paul that you will ever hear.
Yup. Been there. Done that myself.
Quite frankly, ontap, I found myself getting nowhere with it.
I haven't given up, I'm just changing tactics.
The “wake up” call comment was probably unnecessarily vague. It, as was the whole rant, targeted at those who attack Ron Paul and similar so vehemently without first considering thoughtfully what he has to say or by offering arguments instead of mocking him, violating our historically prudent 11th commandment (save the venom for the Democrats, puh-lease ;-) ).
Take the association with Alex Jones. Bad choice. But even so successful a conservative as Phyllis Schlafly spoke to Democrats when she was campaigning against the Equal Rights Amendment, and no one would accuse her of being a traitor. Bush (or was it Buchanan, it doesn’t matter) spoke to Bob Jones University—so what. It didn’t make him a racist. You have to bring people around. If Billy Graham decided to preach to a gathering of the KKK, that wouldn’t make him a close personal friend of David Duke. Right?
That guilt by association thing is so stupid.
No offense you sound like a reasonable guy ,but how does cowtowing to a rather insignificant fringe group help us achieve anything. While I philosophically agree with most of what they say they are so far out there that it is the kiss of death to be seen with them. Some on this post are trying to say they make up 10% of the voting public that is just plain silly.
Oh yes. That Ron Paul is the only candidate, other than the Dems, who doesn't want to bring about the end of the United States of America. She said he is the only one who believes in the Constitution.
Especially with his absolute stupidity in standing side-by-side with the likes of Kucinich. Being "anti the way this war is being fought" and standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a Communist a$$hole are two completely different things.
Anyone willing to give their political detractors that much publicity ammo to use against them does not deserve the High Office.
If your friend the RP-supporter would vote for Hillary, then she would vote for Pelosi, don’t let her kid you. And she might even vote for Sheehan... she’s just not ready to admit it.
That’s the thing about RP supporters. They claim to be the only true conservatives on the planet, and yet they have absolutely no qualms with teaming up with the worst of the leftist traitors in our country to make common cause against Bush.
RP is just another form of BDS.
See NOTHING in life is ever perfect. To be effective in politics you have to accept that basic factual reality. The 100%er club, who wrongly call themselves “Conservatives”, are too arrogantly stupid to realize that fact. So they simply drag everyone down with their perpetual pouting because their political glass is 30% empty.
Better they simply go away and fight among themselves then waste our time with their fundamental political incompetence and rabid whining.
He isn’t even remotely in the ball park of Conservative thought. He is a fringe wack job. People are so busy being mindlessly angry with everything they have simply blinded themselves to the fundamental unworkability of the Political Dogma according to Der Paul.
The problem here is too may people kid themselves that they can ignore all of Paul’s fleas because he happens to cater to their emotional dogma on this or that issue.
Too bad for the 100%ers, elections are not one by the most dogmatically pure but by the candidate best able to forge a working political coalition.
See their are not enough of you 100%ers to elect anyone. You fundementally inablity to accept anyone who is NOT 100% pure as yourselves, renders you politically irrelevent and impotent.
That’s actually pretty funny. Even Libertarians are turning against Ron Paul. Now he’ll be stuck with nothing but truthers and nutroots.
“And yet still Ron Paul isn’t good enough. His position on Iraq blinds pro-occupation conservatives to his other positions and renders him merely a crazy, demented kook.”
I don’t believe Ron Paul is a ‘crazy, demented kook’. I agree with the author that Paul is a very clever politician trying to have things both ways. I believe his supporters have drank too much of the Ron Paul kool-aid and need to seriously examine his positions on issues.
He claims to be against the war in Iraq because we ‘didn’t declare war but voted to invade Afghanistan without declaring war. (But he really wanted us to hire pirates instead.)
He believes abortion is wrong but opposes a law to stop it and would allow the legalization of murder of an unborn in some states and making it a crime of murder in another.
He believes pork barrel spending is un-Constitutional but still asks for several million a year for his district.
Now tell me again why I should support this man.
Hey, no offense taken! And thank you, sir!
I actually don't see myself "cowtowing" to anybody or any group, but rather following my own beliefs.
I have been on "the fringe" for so long that I don't even notice anymore.
I couldn't say what percentage, and it could go either way. 2% or 20%, nobody really knows. I will probably caucus (Iowa resident), as I have for some years now. I have no idea what will happen after that.
FYI; if the Republican nominee turns out to be a RINO, then I'm outa here. Sorry if that bothers some of you, but I have held my nose to vote for a globalist RINO for the last time.
I hold dual membership, and have already resolved to never waste my vote ever again.
I have also posted here several times my predictions, not that those predictions will change anybody's mind, but I have put it all out there for FReepers to see.
So for me at least, I have chosen the "fringe" because that is where my allegiance takes me.
I understand.
There are probably some things that I wish were different, but they just aren't, so I take what is available.
I take it that it's too bad there isn't somebody like Dr. Paul, but just not actually Dr. Paul who could take his place. Would that person then be your favorite candidate?
Just for the sake of talking, what point or points would you throw out of Ron Paul's platform, if you could?
Closer. But not quite it. We need a persuader. An orator. Someone with charisma. Someone who could articulate Dr. Paul's ideas better without the politically suicidal gaff of appearing at the press podium with a "blame America first" moonbat.
Just for the sake of talking, what point or points would you throw out of Ron Paul's platform, if you could?
It's not the platform, it's the presentation. I'm a libertarian philosophically. However, I'm also a big fan of the Constitution as laid forth by Jefferson, Mason, Henry, et al. Not this bastardized semi-fascist oligarchy we are operating under.
Hunter is still my ideal balance on this one. Staunchly conservative, a good orator, hasn't stuck his foot in his mouth or allowed his political enemies to make such hash out of his statements. Well, not yet any way...
Well the libertarian web site claims 200,000 total members so do the math. i understand your disappointment with Geo. Bush but how would you be feeling now if it had been Al Gore. Think about it man don’t go off the deep end and throw a temper tantrum only to wake up Nov 9th with President Hillary.
I have never voted for a Democrat in my entire life. I doubt I ever will.
Too much to reply to. The Luisitania was sailed into waters known to be choked with German U-boats and the Germans were well aware it was carrying munitions....facts not in dispute with any historian I know of. I didn’t raise a single conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbor. I believe Wilson and Roosevelt were culpable the same way Clinton was culpable for 9/11. Also no conspiracy theory.
Peace through strength, absolutely, but there was an enormous difference in the way The Gipper employed the military.
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_07_05/buchanan.html
My idea of peace through strength involves pointing a few nuclear-tipped missles at Mecca with the understanding that Mecca would be vaporized if the hair of an American were so much as mussed by an angry Muslim. Likewise I’m ok with a few thousand rednecks coming out of the Ozarks and Idaho on Harley’s to pull down some mosques where they teach the kiddies to hate Americans should we endure another 9/11. No pacifist am I and that makes more sense to me than Homeland Security, The Patriot Act, TSA and a whole host of other bureaucracies.
Here’s one for you: In the event that we are on the cusp of World War III, knowing that your “excellent leaders” in Washington have committed the country to $66 trillion in federal spending, where do you think we’ll get the funds to wage it all? China? Print more money? The US dollar is sinking against that joke currency called the Euro and the Japanese yen.
RFLMAO? Before you accuse me of getting my info off the Internet, you may want to clean up that puerile use of the Internet chat room phony acronym business. But then, that’s the kind of lowbrow dialog I was complaining about in the first place.
I'm sure we would all be in deep doo-doo. But then; aren't we in it now as well? I mean what with our President pushing us into the NAU and all? I'm not happy about that.
"Think about it man don’t go off the deep end and throw a temper tantrum only to wake up Nov 9th with President Hillary."
I have thought about it, and have concluded that the Republican party is apparently hell-bent on self-immolation. We'll see who the nominee is by this time next year.
If the nominee is a big-government globalist RINO, then we will lose the general. There aren't enough Republicans to carry it without significant help from some independent and cross-over voters.
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