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Illinois LPer Joins Republican Party

Posted on 01/19/2005 2:26:10 PM PST by ReganRevolutionary

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1 posted on 01/19/2005 2:26:10 PM PST by ReganRevolutionary
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To: ReganRevolutionary
There's a lot of difference between an chair quarterbacks and people who actually put themselves on the line.

Until you experience the exhilaration of winning or pain of losing a real election, either as a candidate or as a full time dedicated campaign worker you can't really appreciate the value of winning.

Looks like Bludorn has decided he wants to actually win an election.

2 posted on 01/19/2005 2:35:08 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: ReganRevolutionary

Welcome to FR, RR.

What's an LPer?


3 posted on 01/19/2005 2:36:09 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Libertarian Party.

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4 posted on 01/19/2005 2:39:01 PM PST by Lurker (Caution: Poster is too old to give a s*** anymore.)
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To: Lurker

Is that code for........ Leper??


5 posted on 01/19/2005 2:47:22 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: ReganRevolutionary
Good riddens. Hope he took a bunch neolibertarians with him. On the other side of the coin, I actually wish him the best success. Hoping more follow his lead. The Libertarian Party has about three times the membership it needs to accomplish any realistic goals. And thereby works against itself.
6 posted on 01/21/2005 1:43:09 AM PST by jackbob
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To: ReganRevolutionary

Ought to be worth watching


7 posted on 01/26/2005 5:27:17 PM PST by fastattacksailor (Humiliate Islam: It's certainly asking for it!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
What's an LPer?

Someone who posts at Liberty Post.

9 posted on 02/16/2005 9:47:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: NudistFReeperDad
I just think the LP and the GOP should merge. As a Libertarian Republican, I just think the LP would help the GOP -- eventhou I have a few issues with the LP, but I do have issues with the GOP, but the GOP is going to be the majority party for a long time.

I've often said that the best hope for libertarians was to work within the GOP structure, building a power base, and using that power base to influence the party as a whole. The LP allows them to posture and preen, but is largely ineffective outside of the occasional "spoiler" candidate.

10 posted on 02/16/2005 9:49:55 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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I just think the LP and the GOP should merge.

I hope not. The LP has an enormous potential once it returns to its radical origin. The failure of the so called "quick win" strategies based on abandoning its original educational purpose in favor of vote stealing from conservatives Republicans, has resulted in a loss for both Libertarians as well as conservative Republicans. Merging the LP and the Republican Party is not going to happen. Advocating such, only encourages the LP members to continue playing the conservative card, to the detriment of all.

It would however be helpful to both, if those Libertarian Party members who view the Republican Party as a better choice than the Democratic Party in the absence of the Libertarian Party, would just quit the Libertarian Party.

...GOP is going to be the majority party for a long time.

On this I agree. The sooner LP members recognize this truth, as well as the fact that most Americans are not libertarian, the sooner they might get their heads out of the clouds and stop chasing disenfranchised republican votes. Such a change would be advantageous to all.

11 posted on 02/17/2005 2:47:23 AM PST by jackbob
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...most Americans are not libertarian...

Agreed. Let's also ditch the idea of "born libertarians".

12 posted on 02/17/2005 9:20:46 PM PST by secretagent
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I'm not sure about its actual origins, but that slogan was introducd by David Bergland when he ran as the LP Presidential candidate. As I recall him explaining it, infants are almost absolute Libertarians, then as they get programed first by their parents, then by society, they become less and less libertarian. The examples he used were very one sided and positive. It sounded good, on a quick hearing, but didn't hold up on further examination.

Individual rights is a two sided idea. As the LP's principle of living your life as you choose, also holds the proviso of not interfering with others to live their lives as they choose. Infants, babies, small children, have no respect for other peoples rights, and thereby cannot be libertarian.

13 posted on 02/18/2005 10:32:10 AM PST by jackbob
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There is a difference between using force and interfering. When I "witness" my religion, or my political beliefs, or my sports team preference, to others I am interfering in their comfortable little world. They do not have a right to not be offended by what I say.

But when I force them to listen to me by holding a gun on them, or holding my hand in their pocket, that has crossed the line. Thus voluntary interference and voluntary government is the libertarian alternative to involuntary interference and involuntary government.

Voluntary government means the ability to vote with your feet to move from one local government to another. It means that the extended family, the church, the profesional association, the Boy Scouts can impose "rules" that apply to its voluntary members who exercise the freedom to associate (or not associate) with whomever they choose.

Illinois RLC

14 posted on 02/24/2005 4:57:36 PM PST by spintreebob
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Thus voluntary interference and voluntary government is the libertarian alternative to involuntary interference and involuntary government.

I could agree with you up to here. To me, government and involuntary go together. A libertarian government strives to only respond to initiations of force, and never initiate force itself.

But it does then use force, not persuasion. When it moves against criminals or enemies, the libertarian government exercises power against their will and desires.

15 posted on 02/24/2005 6:59:54 PM PST by secretagent
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There is a difference between using force and interfering.

I would say that it depends on how it was used. The way I used "interfering" was the same as using force. Just prior to writing this reply I looked the word up in several dictionaries. There are a number of different definition in all the dictionaries I looked it up in. Both our definitions are correct in every one of them. I thus stand by my use of the word "interfering."

16 posted on 02/26/2005 5:47:19 PM PST by jackbob
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While I consider myself to be a libertarian-Republican, I certainly am glad that I can vote Libertarian in the absence of an exceptable Republican candidate. I would certainly hate it if the only choice were between a neo-con Republican and a liberal Democrat.


17 posted on 05/06/2005 6:07:14 PM PDT by Ishmaelite
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I hate having little to no choice on opting out of social security, the income tax, local zoning laws, and occupational license requirements. Being able to vote for a Libertarian Party candidate is the least of my concerns. And I am a supporter of the Libertarian Party, and usually vote for it when I can, no matter how exceptionally good the Republican or Democratic Party candidates are.


18 posted on 05/06/2005 6:23:26 PM PDT by jackbob
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To: ReganRevolutionary

Great, we'll get 36% of the vote instead of the normal 36% of the vote.


19 posted on 05/11/2005 6:01:32 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: ReganRevolutionary

Ahhhhhh...if only the entire Republican party could be taken over by conservative Libertarians...

One can dream, right?


20 posted on 05/16/2005 6:12:36 PM PDT by MsJefferson (Self-evident)
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