Is Satan Bound Today?

BibleBB ^ | Mike Vlach

[editor-surveyor]

" I don't think that any of us Amills have pronounced all the dispys to be reprobate."

Following delusion does not make one 'reprobate' but merely deluded. - You can rest assured that I do not declare any here reprobate.

[the_doc]

Thanks for the tip.

I usually do that when I know in advance that I have a difficult post, but sometimes I forget to do this. (I like to live on the edge, I guess. [I already know that I need a new hard-drive.])

[BibChr]

Of course statistics alone never tell the FULL story. The quality of the evidence has to be weighed as well. Having, for instance, an entire chapter that details a resurrection, a thousand-year reign, then another resurrection, is very telling. But one would have to give heavy weight even to one verse that said,

"Somehow God is still faithful and true, yet He is backing off of His centuries of ironclad and emphatic promises and assurances to the nation of Israel, plus He is changing all the terms of His covenant so that only curses and no blessings apply, and finally He is also instituting a different standard of interpretation by which only his predictive words in the Old Testament are to be spiritualized and allegorized at will, while all other passage are still to be interpreted by normal canons of communication."

As I say, even one verse like that would have to be given heavy weight.

Dan

[RnMomof7]

There is NO specific verse teaching the Trinity..is is taken from the totality of scripture as is the amil position:>)

[editor-surveyor]

"Those guys still around?"

Ever run into "Mindspring?" - Same ideas, better packaging, very successful marketing.

[BibChr]

There are EXPLICIT verses ASSERTING that God is one, in so many words. There are EXPLICIT verses ASSERTING that Christ is God, in so many words. There are EXPLICIT verses ASSERTING that the Father is God, in so many words. There are EXPLICIT verses ASSERTING that the Holy Spirit is God, in so many words.

There is NOT ONE verse declaring all OT prophecy null and void, nor instituting a new canon of interpretation. There is NOT ONE verse asserting that the church is New Israel, Spiritual Israel, Industrial Strength Israel, or any kind of Israel.

Let the Bible lead you, you'll never be an amillennialist of any sort.

Dan

[drstevej]

***Ever run into "Mindspring?" ***

Familiar with the ISP but not the cult. Old heresies never die thay re just recycled. Eg Arians => JWs

[editor-surveyor]

"There is NO specific verse teaching the Trinity..."

Would you buy two verses?

Only the most powerful passage in the NT!

I John 5:7-8
"5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

[CCWoody]

Is that the total Kingdom? In it's entirety? Full-blown, complete, nothing lacking? ~ nobdysfool

In a word: NO! When the Lord returns at the end of this age, He is going to have all things that offend cast into the furnace of fire. Then the righteous will inherit the kingdom of our Father that was prepared for us from the foundation of the world.



• Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

And in a word: YES! Right now, I have eternal life. I shall never die. The second death has no power over me.



• Jesus said..., "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

I live and reign with Christ right now:



• even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

I think you're talking Jesus' words to an extreme here, trying to have Him make an all-inclusive pronouncement when what He was doing was pointing out that by casting out devils, He was bringing the benefit of the Kingdom of God, in His person and authority, to those who experienced and witnessed the event. ~ nobdysfool

Ahem! What does the text literally say?



• Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.




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1. Does the verse literally say that if you see this sign then the kingdom of God is come unto us?

2. Does the verse literally say that if the Lord casts out devils he must first bind the strong man Satan?

Woody.

[xzins]

I have ALWAYS believed that the mark could be very literal or could not be. I have always believed that I have been told about it by God so that I or others will be informed about what to do and what not to do.

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In the meantime, Rn, I wouldn't be taking any ID Chip implants.

[CCWoody]

Following delusion does not make one 'reprobate' but merely deluded. ~ editor-surveyor

Excuse me, but you said that Amillennialism is part of the "Strong Delusion". The verse:


• The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now, if I am under this strong delusion I am among those who perish and it is for the specific purpose that I should believe the lie and be condemned because I did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Perhaps you did not mean it, but you pronounced all of the Amillennialist as reprobate with your statement.

Woody.

[xzins]

Dan, do you find it as odd as I do that in Rev 20 "deceive the nations" is interpreted extremely literally, but that everything around it is all allegorical?

[editor-surveyor]

If there is as much allegory in the scriptures as these guys say, It's no wonder that we need priests to interpret for us bumpkins ;o)

[CCWoody]

In the meantime, Rn, I wouldn't be taking any ID Chip implants. ~ xzins

These statements combined with the rapture fever are why I laugh myself silly sometimes. The paranoia that comes out of the dispensationalists crowd is sooooooo funny!


• He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Hey, xzins, where is the beast and his image that we should worry that this chip is the mark of the beast. I must have missed the beast getting wounded by a sword and living. Maybe I should have read CNN instead of FoxNews.

Woody. ROTFL

[editor-surveyor]

Where do you get the secret decoder ring that tells which passages of the Word to believe, and which to discard?

[xzins]

Rn, 1 Jn 5:7-8 needs to be in your repertoire for trinitarian discussions with mormons.

This is in the KJV, but not others. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

I'm sure the answer of the textual critics will be that this is text was too good to be true. Nonetheless, the TR went with it.

[RnMomof7]

in so many words

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[Wrigley]

It is a good verse for that. But, is it translated correctly?

[BibChr]

Oh no, that's just sound "Reformed" hermeneutics!

Like how the SAME EXACT PROPHECY in the OT can be totally literal and for-Israel (the cursing part) and totally "spiritual" and for-the-Christian-Church (the blessing part) at the same time!

Dan

[xzins]

Be my guest, Woody. Take the implant and teach others to do the same.

It will make you a member of the ant colony. Simply another animal for the counting.

Throughout an entire region, it could be used to control access.