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Orson Scott Card (OSC): We Can Lose This War After All
The Ornery American ^ | September 21 2003 | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 09/29/2003 12:16:41 PM PDT by Tolik

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To: Tolik
thx for article...yeeehaa to Orson...great novelist
21 posted on 09/29/2003 4:04:21 PM PDT by Johnbalaya
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To: lasereye
Well of course. Like 30,000 munitions and tons of WMDs in a 3rd world war torn nation that mysteriously don't appear and instead relegated to the back burner of reasons for the war...
22 posted on 09/29/2003 4:16:22 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
it's called Science FICTION for a reason.

Good science fiction either posits a possible future world, or gives you a premise that makes sense on some level. Human children in charge of our military strategy in a war against aliens makes no sense. I enjoy science fiction, too, mostly movies, I don't read sci fi books that often, but I didn't buy into this book. Sorry.

23 posted on 09/29/2003 4:18:09 PM PDT by Defiant (Half a loaf is better than none. Support Arnold, and don't pinch a loaf!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Yeah, it's Doogie Howser meets Sigourney Weaver.
24 posted on 09/29/2003 4:23:05 PM PDT by Defiant (Half a loaf is better than none. Support Arnold, and don't pinch a loaf!)
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To: Defiant
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25 posted on 09/29/2003 5:11:15 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (I've been making fine jewelry for years, apparently.)
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To: billbears
Like 30,000 munitions and tons of WMDs

Who made that up?

26 posted on 09/29/2003 5:14:31 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
I'll give you a hint. It wasn't a conservative.....

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

Want to take a swing where I found that? Of course we won't go into the tons and liters of WMDs that was also covered at the same time this statement was made. Shouldn't have to as it was all false data in the first place. But boy it sure made good copy for whipping up the mindless didn't it?

27 posted on 09/29/2003 5:37:37 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. it was all false data in the first place.

By false you mean fabricated? What has established that? They sure had something when they killed tens of thousands of Kurds in the early 90's. So you must know that the Bush admin. knew that they got rid of it all, assuming they did that. Explain how you know that.

28 posted on 09/29/2003 7:08:16 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
They sure had something when they killed tens of thousands of Kurds in the early 90's.

Uh, make that the 80s when the administration of the time turned its eye because Iraq was fighting Iran. Guess 'intelligence' missed that one too. Nice try on the spin though. And interesting how they can not know about 30,000 weapons but boy howdy the intelligence is down enough to pick out a mobile 'weapons' lab and show it in UN meetings. Interesting also that investigators found one of these 'labs' that looked exactly like what Powell said it would. The forethought, the almost extra sensory perception!! Yet they couldn't find 30,000 munitions (and by munitions he's not talking small arms) that would deliver these phantom WMDs.

For your argument to be even begin to be plausible it would mean the Iraqis took the time to completely scrub down a mobile 'weapons van to the point that no trace of WMDs was found on it, all the while hiding thousands of tons and liters of WMDs, as well as 30,000 munitions (which can't be stored in one room as some many of the WMDs were there explain away the actual WMDs). All the while preparing for war and out of sight of the satellites that had surveillance on these 'weapons' labs

You know I've got this beautiful ocean front property in Montana for sale and I've been looking for a buyer...

29 posted on 09/29/2003 8:34:17 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Uh, make that the 80s when the administration of the time turned its eye because Iraq was fighting Iran. Guess 'intelligence' missed that one too. Nice try on the spin though.

Huh? Okay: They sure had something when they killed tens of thousands of Kurds in the early 90's. late 80's.

There, is that better? They also used lots of chemical weapons on the Iranians. I have no idea what the hell the rest of your post had to do with my point. Are you saying they never had chemical weapons? Or are you saying they had them and got rid of them and the Bush admin knew it?

30 posted on 09/30/2003 3:29:59 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Might wanna add this one for your ping list.
If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side.
~~~Orson Scott Card

31 posted on 09/30/2003 4:27:00 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: lasereye; billbears
By false you mean fabricated? What has established that?

Nothing, but billbears can accuse Colin Powell, and by extension Bush, of lying because they aren't "real" conservatives, you see. "Real" conservatives, I'm guessing, are those who think draw the military should be drawn back to our borders where we can cower behind them.

32 posted on 09/30/2003 4:38:31 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
"Real" conservatives, I'm guessing, are those who think draw the military should be drawn back to our borders where we can cower behind them.

Not at all. But real conservatives don't go about changing the world to fit our desire for the rest of the world either. Somehow I must have missed reading that discussion from the Constitutional Convention. Freedom goes both ways. And that means allowing nation states to determine their own destiny. Especially when they present no direct threat to this nation of states. Or is an attack on Aruba imminent?

33 posted on 09/30/2003 7:08:01 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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