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Ron Paul - Your Money In Iraq
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| Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
Posted on 09/29/2003 10:40:39 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: PigRigger
Granted this is an experiment, it may fail. Is it worth $87 Billion, it is to me.
Then you won't mind footing the bill? Open your wallet and use your money for any kind of experiment you care to. Blackbird.
To: PigRigger
That assumes, of course, that continuing to maintain a presence in the Middle East and it's religious and ethnic conflicts will reduce the chance of further attacks against the US and weren't the reasons for 9-11 in the first place.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:32:57 AM PDT
by
caltrop
To: bc2
Want true conservatives? Vote Libertarian. There are many things that I do like about that party, but unfortunately they seem to have too many goofy flakes associated with them and nobody takes them seriously. They need to grow up and mature if they are serious about making an impact.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:34:40 AM PDT
by
zacyak
To: JohnGalt
"If you honestly believe national security is resting on the success of building a welfare state in a country 10,000 miles away, I wonder if there is any hope for this country."
If you honestly believe abandoning the rebuilding effort in Iraq, or having it used as political blackmail, furthers our national security I KNOW there is no hope for this country.
The status quo and/or Isolation only delays our inevitable demise.
BTW, rebuilding a nation does not necessarily mean a welfare state. That's short sighted.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:35:34 AM PDT
by
PigRigger
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To: zacyak
There are many things that I do like about that party, but unfortunately they seem to have too many goofy flakes associated with them and nobody takes them seriously. They need to grow up and mature if they are serious about making an impact.Damned straight.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:36:50 AM PDT
by
jmc813
(McClintock is the only candidate who supports the entire Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment)
To: jmc813
I think Bush is playing the old "if you need 10, ask for 20" game. He's done it several times already, with good success.
To: jmc813
Ron Paul bump!
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:40:18 AM PDT
by
Fraulein
(TCB)
To: zacyak
There are plenty of us in the LP working on weeding out the wackos and replacing them with right-thinking folks like yourself.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:41:45 AM PDT
by
bc2
(http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
To: PigRigger
"The status quo and/or Isolation only delays our inevitable demise."
Is that a direct quote from Woodrow Wilson?
Guess I just believe in old fashioned conservative ideas like a well armed citizenry and a decentralized government as the best defense.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:41:54 AM PDT
by
JohnGalt
(Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
To: PigRigger
please point to the part in the US Constitution that authorizes this sort of expenditure. I've got my copy out but can't seem to find it.
The great part about our Republic is that you are free to donate your share of the $87 billion to a private charity willing to do what is outside of the realm of absolute neccessity to rebuild them and get the hell out.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:45:07 AM PDT
by
bc2
(http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
To: BlackbirdSST
"Then you won't mind footing the bill? Open your wallet and use your money for any kind of experiment you care to."
I didn't mind paying the 10's of billions to clean-up lower Manhattan, Washinton DC, and our airline industry; did you?. Multiply that at least 10x if we fail in the Middle East.
If we succeed $87 Billion will be seen as worth the price. If we fail, it will probably be a pittance when compared to the cost in lives and property we may have to sacrifice to win.
Dont get me wrong; I dont agree that all expenditures should be granted without review. I just dont believe that holding up this amount will serve our country in an way, especially during this critical period.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:45:29 AM PDT
by
PigRigger
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To: jmc813
The fact is, President Bush is a globalist LBJ. Rebuilding Iraq...while America crumbles? Creating peace and security in Iraq, when our borders are a sieve? Building new infrstructure when ours is decaying? And here's the real travesty.......asking Americans to foot the bill is billions of tax dollars and the blood of our sons and daughters? This man is out of his mind! And anyone who is deluded into thinking that saving Iraq is our purpose, is a fool. Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves. You folks who think Bush is a Conservative have been fooled. He is the poster child of liberal globalism. I will never vote for him again. Anyone with half a brain would have to agree.
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posted on
09/29/2003 11:46:37 AM PDT
by
hove
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To: JohnGalt
Isolation hasn't worked in the past, has even less of a chance in the future. Either we attempt to implement a solution (under our own terms) understanding the costs involved or just accept the possible outcome of doing little or nothing.
How many had to die in WWI or WWII before it became crystal clear as to to what we were up against. This is WWIII whether you believe it or not.
Cutting and running from Iraq (or the Middle East for that matter), at this point, serves no purpose and will only make things far worse down the road. IMHO.
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:00:37 PM PDT
by
PigRigger
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To: PigRigger
The basic split between conservatives and Wilsonian liberals:
One group, conservatives, believes '9/11' (or WW1 or WW2) was caused by too much interventionism, the other group believes '9/11' was the result of not enough intervention.
In 2003, both are reasonable points of view only one is conservative and the other is liberal.
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:03:19 PM PDT
by
JohnGalt
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To: caltrop
"That assumes, of course, that continuing to maintain a presence in the Middle East and it's religious and ethnic conflicts will reduce the chance of further attacks against the US and weren't the reasons for 9-11 in the first place. "
I agree, but the key here is further reduce. I don't believe we will ever be able to stop them entirely. However, we will be in a better position politically and militarily to deal with them.
I also agree with most of the poster on this thread with regard to our borders. They simply are a danger to our national security. There "openess" is an example of politics trumping national security. They will be shut down only after an attack where they are found to be directly responsible.
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:08:18 PM PDT
by
PigRigger
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To: Isolationist
Iraq is sitting on a ton of oil. Let them pay for their own reconstruction with the wealth of their nation.Bump.
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:09:46 PM PDT
by
4CJ
(Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
To: PigRigger
I'm not sure we do agree. I think our presence in the Middle East is a big part of the problem and the reason we were attacked on 9-11. The sooner we get our ground troops out of the Middle East and refuse to be involved in their religious and ethnic conflicts the better. As far as I'm concerned, we should be out of there now.
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:15:03 PM PDT
by
caltrop
To: GoOrdnance
Paul Bremer has stated that the administration does not wish to increase Iraq's debt load, as it current owes hundreds of billions of dollars to France, Russia and other nations.
So we agree that we should cut $87 billion from the numerous unconstituional programs in the Federal budget to pay for Iraq's reconstruction?
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posted on
09/29/2003 12:18:01 PM PDT
by
Sparta
("General" Wesley Strangelove "Let me start World War III, vote for me as president.")
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