Californians Are Fleeing The Golden State At An Alarming Rate

Toogood Reports ^ | September 22, 2003 | Michael D. Shaw

[Joe Hadenuf]

That is precisely my point.

If there were not so many people, there would be room for everyone to live on the coastal plain.

Huh? The coastal plain in So Cal is basically only about 35x120 miles wide and long.

There isn't room for everyone in that amount of space. There really is no room to build more homes like they used to 40 years ago.

This is one of the big reasons why 40 year old homes in nice areas of So Cal are going for $450,000.

Supply and demand. Only so much prime land to go around. That is why the builders went east and out in the deserts...

[raybbr]

You guys in Cheeseheadland crack me up. You call us F#@$ing Illinois Ba@#ards and think it's an insult. I like it because it means we got under your skin and in your campgrounds and in your motels and in your fishing holes, etc. and we know that underneath, without the dollars we brought with us, you cow pokers would be broke. :>}

[Age of Reason]

Hey Joe, spare me all that stuff for the time being--just sum it up for me by answering these few simple questions:

1. Of Citizens fleeing California, what percentage are native-born Americans?

2. Of Citizens moving to California, what percentage are immigrants?


I do believe I remember reading that California has one of the highest numbers of people leaving for other states, and most of those people fleeing were born in America.

And . . .

I believe I remember reading that California has among the greatest number of citizens moving there--and most of whom came to America as immigrants.

[raybbr]

Unfortunaley the illegal alien disease is sreading like cancer. Unless, we take some drastic measure like excision and chemotherapy for it the middle class are all doomed to live with the pain for decades until the body America dies from lack of care and treatment.

[Age of Reason]

I recently saw data published on the web that verifies who is leaving California and who is going there.

But I haven't the time right now to dig it up. If you've the time to Google for it, it's out there somewhere.

[superloser]

If Bustabuddy is elected, I look for him to find a way to tax the people who are fleeing.

You're too late for that. It is already in place.

3.5% sales tax on real estate, but it is refunded to you if you purchase another piece of California real estate.

Call it an 'exit tax'....

[sfvgt]

....who knows......all I'm saying is that this California exodus is over-rated.......

[Joe Hadenuf]

I'll make a prediction here, right now like most states, the economy isn't that great and homes here in nice areas easily run $400,000 plus, and are sold in days, not weeks.

If the economy improves, you are going to see those prices go up even further, even if interest rates go up. Again, supply and demand. Only so many homes, and a whole lot of buyers.

Of course, if you want more house for your money, one can move to Missouri or Kansas.

Me? I'll stay in Cal thanks.....

[Redleg Duke]

Shouldn't that headline read:

Americans Are Fleeing The Golden State At An Alarming Rate"?

[sissyjane]

All I know is that my husband is counting garbage days until his retirement, and then we are getting out of here as fast as possible.

[Age of Reason]

Huh? The coastal plain in So Cal is basically only about 35x120 miles wide and long.

There isn't room for everyone in that amount of space. There really is no room to build more homes like they used to 40 years ago.

This is one of the big reasons why 40 year old homes in nice areas of So Cal are going for $450,000.

Supply and demand. Only so much prime land to go around. That is why the builders went east and out in the deserts...

Then it seems to me California had all the people it could comfortably fit many, many years ago.

Therefore, continuing to add people only exacerbates the problem: It continues to bring-down the quality of life.

The crowding forces people of average--or even somewhat above average--incomes to live in human anthills or in the bleak, monotonous desert among scorpions, spiders, and snakes.

That is not prosperity.

That is not freedom.

That is why people used to a better life are leaving California altogether.

Now if the United States restricted immigration of all kinds, it would put a halt to this decline, which like a stain on the map of America, will soon reach into every neighborhood in America.

[Not A Snowbird]

"I moved to South Orange County several months ago."

I just moved OUT of South Orange County... for the exact reasons you cite.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I'm saying is that this California exodus is over-rated.......

Bet the rent. Homes in nice areas of California are selling in a matter of days, and they are getting multiple offers.

The real estate market is so hot, the many offers are coming in OVER full price, so as the buyer can hope to lock in to a deal and avoid a bidding war with another potential buyer.

Beware of disgruntal former Californians that sold in the 90s or sold over 3 years ago, as their homes *doubled* in value.

Ouch!

A lot of them are kicking themselves in the butt. Trust me. Hehehe..

[Not A Snowbird]

You're absolutely right. I bought a condo in 1999 for $219K, and sold it three years later for $349K. Took the money and ran as far north as I could go without emmigrating to Canada.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yeah, we were going to move way up north, but decided we like sun and 80 degrees, instead of rain and cold, snow etc.....

[Age of Reason]

Doesn't work that way. Not in Cal anyway.

It should work that way in a country that is truly prosperous.

For in a country that is truly prosperous. its working citizens should afford to live better and better.

A home--more than a PC or DVD player or big-screen TV--is one of the most important things in life.

In a truly prosperous nation, more and more people would be able to own beautiful homes on a coastal plain.

Not less and less people.

Adding to America's population, makes the ratio of home-buyers to great real estate worse--not better.

[AlBondigas]

the #'s Joe S is quoting are from the 2000 census.

IIRC...there was a whole lot 'o complaining 'bout the census @ the time cuz it greatly undercounted the illegals in Cal.

[oceanview]

it sounds alot like long island. but the phenomena you are not mentioning is that housing price increases take place only for the "nice areas". what happens is that the "not nice areas" don't see any appreciation, so the people who want to stay bid the "nice areas" up higher and higher. in the meantime, more locations enter the "not nice area" category. and what you send up with in the end is a locale that only has the wealthy and the working poor living in it. run down areas, and areas with 1+ million dollar homes.

[Snerfling]

Only so much prime land and nice areas available

Get further away than 20 miles from either the ocean (in SoCal) or the Bay (in NorCal) and you might as well be living in Texas.

The cold water is the key to creating the perfect Calif weather. In fact, when the ocean warmed up to 70 degrees for a few weeks down here in OC, every day felt like the tropics. Yuck - I was praying for fall.

A perfect Calif day (which is almost every day) is when the sun is bright and clear, and the air is a cool and refreshing 68-72.

[Age of Reason]

Again,

1. Of Citizens fleeing California, what percentage are native-born Americans?

2. Of Citizens moving to California, what percentage are immigrants?