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Life's Complexity Diminishes Darwinian Potency
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 8/28/03 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 09/08/2003 4:58:18 PM PDT by bondserv

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To: gore3000
We used to think angels were needed to push the planets around. That's gore science.
101 posted on 09/08/2003 8:21:18 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: general_re
And people say you don't remember things ...

You can't remember what Morton's Demon never lets in.

102 posted on 09/08/2003 8:22:50 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: boris
Yes, if you watch Jackass, you will see that sometimes rocks and concrete are more intelligent that humans.
103 posted on 09/08/2003 8:23:37 PM PDT by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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To: gore3000
One can 'imagine' whatever one likes but to build such a system (which is only a small part of a greater system, which is intself only a small part of the greater system - the whole organism) takes a lot more than imagination.

Indeed it does - it takes millions of tries each and every single year, during the time frame of billions of years. And with a selection process that is able to weed out ever so slightly less successful models.

104 posted on 09/08/2003 8:23:51 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: Alamo-Girl
Very wise, bondserv! Thank you!!!

Prov 11:14
Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

What a help the word is! All glory goes to God!

105 posted on 09/08/2003 8:24:55 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Amen! Praise God!!!
106 posted on 09/08/2003 8:26:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: coloradan
The title seems to have been added by the poster; it's not in the link, nor in the text.
107 posted on 09/08/2003 8:28:59 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro
We used to think angels were needed to push the planets around. That's gore science.

Yeah, because just think about how lost God would be without "science".

108 posted on 09/08/2003 8:32:47 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: VadeRetro
If you say something needs God, angels, or aliens to happen, I shouldn't be able to imagine a scenario in which it happens without same.

We can imagine a lot of things, some clearly impossible, some plausible.

109 posted on 09/08/2003 8:33:03 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro
I'm just fascinated by the fact that the key criticism in one of my posts has somehow made it into gore's bag of tricks. Notice that the statement that "the scientific facts above, by themselves are a prima facie case." seems to have been cast by the wayside. Nothing like a good old-fashioned double-standard to get the blood flowing, eh? ;)
110 posted on 09/08/2003 8:34:29 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Doctor Stochastic
This is true, I employed posters licence and marketing strategy.
111 posted on 09/08/2003 8:34:32 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: gore3000
In addition, need creates nothing at all without intelligence behind it.

What is the "intelligence" in planets creating perfect spheres? It's the need of things to go downhill; when everything is as downhill as it can be, it's a sphere. What is the "intelligence" in turning moths dark brown when pollution goes up, and turning them white when it goes down? Nothing, unless birds eating only the bugs they can see constitutes "intelligence." The need is merely that the birds don't want to starve, and eat moths, which they locate by sight.

112 posted on 09/08/2003 8:38:57 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: bondserv
The FR-nazi-posting-police will hang and quarter you for such an offense.
113 posted on 09/08/2003 8:39:21 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: conservababeJen
Godwin's Law alert. The first post to gratuitously bring up Nazi's. Automatic forfeiture
114 posted on 09/08/2003 8:43:44 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AndrewC
We can imagine a lot of things, some clearly impossible, some plausible.

Are you tripping too hard over "imagine?" Should I have just said "think of?" You tell me you don't see how the Old Man of the Mountain could have formed or been destroyed without design. I can think of ways in which both could have happened without design.

But let's stay with "imagine." You say something can't happen without guidance. I imagine otherwise. I give you a scenario which is all physics and chemistry, no intelligent being stirring the pot. If it's on one of these threads, your next line is "What's the PROOF of that?"

ID-ers could just skip the whole first step, the attempted proof by failure to imagine, but then I guess guys like Behe would be out of business.

115 posted on 09/08/2003 8:44:37 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Doctor Stochastic
And to think she just got here! What are the odds?
116 posted on 09/08/2003 8:45:21 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Doctor Stochastic
But what exactly am I forfeiting?
117 posted on 09/08/2003 8:46:27 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: general_re
You rejected that exact same criticism when I pointed it out about one of your articles purporting to "disprove" evolution.

Yup, they do, and your point that they did was your inability to answer the following question:

So what parts can we have life without?
Post# 34.

The facts in those articles are all pretty essential to life. So yes, they could not have arisen piecemeal. As I have often stated there are quite a few essential life functions. They all have to be present for life to exist. They could not have arisen piecemeal.

You see the problem with evolutionists and why evolution is not science is that they think that the different functions of life are not related and thus you can build things up like a house of blocks. You cannot. You need numerous parts to have life be life.

118 posted on 09/08/2003 8:47:27 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: conservababeJen
But what exactly am I forfeiting?

Nothing you have the wit to value, and it was already gone.

119 posted on 09/08/2003 8:48:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: conservababeJen
The FR-nazi-posting-police will hang and quarter you for such an offense.

Let's hope not.:-) This is still America as long as Americans stand for freedom and the pursuit of truth.

120 posted on 09/08/2003 8:50:41 PM PDT by bondserv
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