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The Litmus Test for American Conservatism (The paloeconservative view of Abe Lincoln.)
Chronicles Magazine ^ | January 2001 | Donald W. Livingston

Posted on 09/06/2003 9:14:08 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Held_to_Ransom
Cotton was probably the only crop the decrepit and outrageously wasteful labor sytsem of the south could make any money at

Wrong. Cotton was by far the largest southern AND American crop, but if IIRC tobacco was about 8-10% of the total export market in its own right. Those two were the main crops of the south accordingly and they were indisputably economic successes.

and it did it by raping the land and leaving it in ruins.

Cotton production ability was at its height in 1860 and showed no signs of any slowing down as the so-called "ruins" you describe would eventually necessitate. Thus it is perfectly reasonable to identify that claim as yet another gratuitous example of the flatus voci that eminate from your head, and in doing so to reject it accordingly.

As to the remainder of your tirade, I need only note that you have yet to supply any substantial rebuttal to the hard and indisputable economic fact that southern cotton alone provided 65% of the entire nation's exports in a given year. You have speculated upon reasons to diminish or dismiss this fact, yet offer no substance and no specifics to validate so much as a single one of them. That may work over at your Sally Struthers University GED-by-video class but not here. In the real world that time-honored rule of logical discourse applies: quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur. You either have to substantiate your claims or you may expect to see them treated as meritless ramblings. So let me be the first to welcome you to the big leagues by making note of the fact that it is time for you to either put up or shut up.

441 posted on 09/13/2003 10:13:50 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Held_to_Ransom
Oh, and one more thing to assist your escape from the inept ramblings in which your general ignorances of history and economics have abandoned you...

I'm told that the following book will almost assuredly provide you with a comprehensible introduction into the realm of critical thinking at a reading level that surely cannot be too far ahead of your own:

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In the case that it is too difficult for you though just drop me a freepmail and I will happily point you in the direction of a simpler text for your demonstrably simple mind.

442 posted on 09/13/2003 10:23:35 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Well, as usual, it appears that that one flew right over your head. Go figure.
443 posted on 09/13/2003 10:26:04 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: fortheDeclaration
what an incrediby IGNORANT & UN-true post!

and SILLY to boot.

ROTFL!

free dixie,sw

444 posted on 09/13/2003 10:32:30 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOPcapitalist
I am still laugbing my butt off that you think the Morrill Tariff was something Congress did for fun instead of out of the necessity of waging war against the traitors. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
445 posted on 09/13/2003 10:33:49 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: donmeaker
what a piece of meaningless drivel & damnyankee propaganda.

free dixie,sw

446 posted on 09/13/2003 10:35:20 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sobieski
the plain truth is that lincoln the tyrant,war criminal, spiller of innocent blood, anti-semite, anti-Roman Catholic, nativist & racist could NOT have cared less about the plight of the slaves, whether they were in the north or south. he said so himself, numerous times in private & public forums, as well as in correspondence with private citizens & public servants.

he both hated & feared "persons of colour", whether those persons were black, brown, asian, red or "muddy-coloured" (read "mixed bloods") people (like me for example).

lincoln was nothing more or less than a cheap, power-hungry politician of the KLINTOONesque sort.

that(sadly for damnyankees & eltists of the revisionist sort) is the un-varnished truth.

free dixie,sw

447 posted on 09/13/2003 10:44:13 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: quidnunc
the WBTS was started in MO & KS by the damnyankees in 1855-56, when the redlegs, jayhawkers & other damnyankee CRIMINAL GANGS crossed the KS/MO border & began attacking peaceful & generally UNarmed civilans in MO.(criminals PREFER unarmed victims!)

the attack on Ft Sumpter was a convienient date for the damnyankees to admit that we southrons had been at war with the damnyankees for at least 5 years.

free dixie,sw

448 posted on 09/13/2003 10:50:23 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
what utter NON-SENSE!

free dixie,sw

449 posted on 09/13/2003 10:51:27 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
oh kind sir/madame,

PLEASE explain then the words of GEN U.S. Grant(1876):

"Had the late war been to perserve the institution of chattal slavery, i would have offered my sword to the southland. the ONLY cause of the war was to PERSERVE the UNION." (emphasis mine.)

the ONLY LEGITIMATE CAUSE of the WBTS was dixie LIBERTY.

nothing else is TRUE; not then, not now.

free dixie,sw

450 posted on 09/13/2003 10:56:41 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
PLEASE call my people the American Indians.

i do NOT know of a single Indian, who likes that PC-term = native americans, which came out of the poison ivy league & self-righteous LEFT (unless you ONLY mean that the person was born in the Americas.)in the 1960s. not one!

free dixie,sw

451 posted on 09/13/2003 11:03:42 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Held_to_Ransom; lentulusgracchus; Gianni
I am still laugbing my butt off that you think the Morrill Tariff was something Congress did for fun instead of out of the necessity of waging war against the traitors. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only joke here is that you think a tariff that was written around January of 1860, passed in the House in March of 1860, passed in the Senate in February of 1861 and signed into law a few days later was somehow designed as a response measure to a war that began in April 1861. Not only does your interpretation of the Morrill act defy history as it happened. It also defies the timeline itself!

But please do proceed - I find it highly amusing to observe the degree to which you are willing to embarass yourself rather than admitting your ignorance and error on the tariff issue.

452 posted on 09/13/2003 11:10:51 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Paul C. Jesup
wp is nothing more or less than a scalawag, i.e. a TRAITOR to his native state & to dixie as well.

thankfully, he is also not particuliarly bright or well-read.

what he does do well is post long, boring,frequently off-point passages of self-serving damnyankee drivel & propaganda (most of which he does NOT understand!)

the only DANGEROUS (to dixie freedom) pro-yankee voice on FR is NON-Sequiter (underestimate him at your peril.); the rest of the walt brigade are loons, dumb-bunnies & PC-fools.

free dixie,sw

453 posted on 09/13/2003 11:11:06 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
you would be CORRECT!

free dixie,sw

454 posted on 09/13/2003 11:12:14 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Oops. another typo. That should have read "passed the House in May of 1860"
455 posted on 09/13/2003 11:12:44 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: quidnunc
RAVE ON. PLEASE!

as yet another poster of SILLY, anti-southern NON-SENSE, you too serve the cause of dixie LIBERTY.

free dixie,sw

456 posted on 09/13/2003 11:14:14 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: quidnunc
there are NO neo-confederates.

just Paleo-Confederates from old rebel familes, who have NOT forgotten how grand it was to breathe free dixie air.

free dixie,sw

457 posted on 09/13/2003 11:18:01 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gianni
NOPE. i spit iced coffee all over my computer at that one.

what a mess to clean up!

free dixie,sw

458 posted on 09/13/2003 11:19:32 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lentulusgracchus
!!!!!!!
459 posted on 09/13/2003 11:20:52 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
there you are!

i'd heard that the staff tossed you off the site.

free dixie,sw

460 posted on 09/13/2003 11:22:47 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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