"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

[Servant of the Nine]

Average age of death for those who practice female-to-female sex is 48.

If they die, they die.

Think of it as Evolution in Action.

People have a right to do dangerous things.

So9

[streetpreacher]

Lawrence v Texas is only the beginning....only the beginning.

The New American, Vol. 19, No. 17 August 25, 2003

Lawrence’s Immoral Consequences

In his dissenting opinion in the Lawrence v. Texas decision overturning a Texas anti-sodomy law, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia presciently warned that the reasoning applied in that decision imperils all state laws against obscenity, incest, adultery, and other evils. The ink was hardly dry on the decision before Scalia’s warning was vindicated.

In late July, attorney H. Louis Sirkin, who often represents pornographer Larry Flynt, demanded that a Cincinnati judge overturn a city anti-pornography law. "The case involves the sale of a video so explicit that some members of the jury had to avert their eyes," reports Focus on the Family’s Family News in Focus. Sirkin told the publication that the Lawrence decision brings "into question obscenity laws, prostitution laws and such things as that.... Legislative bodies are not to legislate morality."

Lawrence has also been invoked by polygamist Rodney Holm of Hilldale, Utah. Holm has had 21 children with three wives and has been charged with bigamy and two counts of unlawful sex with a 16-year-old girl whom he claims as a "spiritual" wife. In the motion to dismiss, Holm’s attorney, Rodney Parker, cites the Lawrence opinion to buttress the claim that "the national social order in the United States does not compel a conclusion that plural marriage [e.g., polygamy] is against public policy, especially when considered in light of emerging lifestyles."

The legitimate issue is whether states and local governments will continue to exercise their reserved constitutional powers to legislate on moral issues.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/08-25-2003/insider/vo19no17_texas.htm

[mugsy]

Drugs is an extremely difficult balance.

We can't just say that everyone should be allowed to do what they want.

Trust me, I don't refrain from drug abuse because certain drugs are illegal, nor would I start using them if they were legalized. Social opprobrium, a love for my family and my own body are what keep me from abusing myself with drugs. It has nothing to do with the laws passed by corrupted legislators.

[xzins]

As with other quarantine laws, you mustn't bind the hands of the legislature relative to any behavior that has the potential to endanger the entire community.

With some diseases you might want vigorous enforcement. With others you can wait for self-identification.

[Jorge]

Average age of death for those who practice female-to-female sex is 48.

I think this is the statistic for homosexual male life expectancy.
Not for lesbians.

[RussianConservative]

May I then suggest Orthodox Church, unwavering and unchanging for 2000 years.

[xzins]

People have no right to endanger others.

[stevio]

Isn't this amazing? We are living in Biblical times! The arguments for this debaughery are laughable. History does repeat itself, we are Rome.

[streetpreacher]

Thanks for the post. I will add it to the ever growing complaint I have with the modern American Religion and her Arminian/Pelagian/Free Will soteriology.

That's not a fair argument, brother... guilt by association. So can we assume that those who hold that homosexuality is determined are reflecting the antinomianism thrusted upon us by Calvinism that makes men deny their responsibility before God? Of course that is fallacious, and I don't believe it either.

I happen to love my Calvinist and Reformed brethren who take a stand for truth, especially Lordship and Perseverance (particularly men like John MacArthur and Ray Comfort).

[xzins]

Exactly. If a libertarian legalization of drugs were to take place, there would be significant social problems until certain types of controls were imposed.

You can't just say that people should do what they want and then walk away. They become walking time bombs.

[IronJack]

She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be “holy.”

Sure. And why wouldn't she so argue? If people can pretend to embrace homosexuality and remain Christian, what behavior can they NOT accept? The greatest sin is to be "judgmental," don't you know?

[Jorge]

"Average age of death for those who practice female-to-female sex is 48. "

If they die, they die.
Think of it as Evolution in Action.
People have a right to do dangerous things.

Hey xzins....is the above an example of a libertarian view in your opinion?

I disagree with it. I think it is heartless.

I might not agree with throwing people in jail for adultery and homosexuality.
But I also don't agree the "natural selection" approach to social problems...in that we should just let people die, if we can help it.

[rintense]

Let me add to your statement, something which these kooks failed to acknowledge, is that there is a tremendous difference between free will- and doing what *you* think is right, and surrendering your will to *GOD* and letting Him guide your life.

The Bible has become the equivalent of the Constitution- every damn liberal on the face of this planet will twist and interpret it to mean something it doesn't.

[Cvengr]

They don't have a right to encroach upon other parties and destroy their families.

For every predestined marriage, there is a right man and right woman to fulfill that union. Those who seek to lure others into homosexuality will seek to entice one of the members of that union into adultery, fornication, and homosexuality. In each of these instances the focus is in worshipping the flesh and exalting self, rather than exalting the union as created by God.

God has already created a holy form of union, and in so fulfilling that union the joys of body, soul and spirit may be concurrently fulfilled, while remaining in felowship with Him.

This is not the case in adultery, fornication or homosexuality or sexual immorality in general. Such acts not only harm the individual, they cast future disgrace upon the immediate and even remote family of such sinners.

Too bad the press doesn't give equal time to divorced family members of recent homosexuals and how that activity has destroyed families for generations, simply by the irresponsible selfish behavior of the homosexual.

The biological ramifications are corollary, but also possible genetic cursings upon such a lineage.

Condoning or ignoring such behavior merely lowers the standard of living and potential for future American generations and any generation of freedom loving people who seek to live lives in obedience to both the laws of God and laws of man.

[FlyVet]

The leadership brought gay and lesbian individuals in to "teach" us how our long held belief that homosexuality is sinful was not Biblical. I got out of that place fast!

Un freaking real.

I, who may well be the sorriest excuse for a Christian who ever lived, know what Romans 1 says. How do these "leadership" people manage to skip over that chapter?

[rintense]

We can't just say that everyone should be allowed to do what they want.

But this is the crux of every argument made, from drugs to sex, etc. Too many people think they have the right to do *anything they want*. They use the first amendment as a crutch to legitimize their actions. It's folks who think like this that make me wonder if sometimes too much freedom is a bad thing.

[Wilhelm Tell]

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Just the other day I predicted in a thread that the bisexuals would be encouraged by the gay "marriage" issue to demand polygamy. I predicted that the bisexuals would demand "marriages" of foursomes since everyone swung both ways. I was wrong in that I predicted that bisexual polygamous "marriage" would take a few years to become an issue. I'm afraid the pedophiles will be the next champions of "diversity," once the gays and bi's get most of what they want.

Next, I again predict that Muslim men will argue that it is "discrimination" if they cannot have many wives. The liberals will be backed into a corner and will accept all sorts of reactionary, backwards things since they think all standards are relative.

Eventually, there won't be much of America worth saving and we might as well let the Chicoms nuke us and start over.

[PleaseNoMore]

“We have all learned to challenge Romans,” said the Rev. Mari Castellanos, referring to St. Paul’s letter that, among other Scriptures, is critical of homosexual behavior. Castellanos leads the Justice and Witness Ministries of the United Church of Christ. “We must do likewise with all texts that go against our brothers and sisters that are being claimed as the unerring Word of God.”

Then, Mari ( I will not address her as reverent of anything except of her own fleshly desires ), you have decided to war against God and I assure you that He will be the victor.

This article is a sickening example of what happens when morality is booted out of a nation. It is also a visual of what Sodom must have been like when God decided to destroy it.

[CARepubGal]

Blessed Bi? What the hell is that? One of y'all may want to take a stab at this: It is beyond my understanding (thankfully)

[mugsy]

Exactly. If a libertarian legalization of drugs were to take place, there would be significant social problems until certain types of controls were imposed.

You can't just say that people should do what they want and then walk away. They become walking time bombs.

Those controls were already in place before drugs were made illegal in this country. Did you even read my post? I said, "Trust me, I don't refrain from drug abuse because certain drugs are illegal, nor would I start using them if they were legalized. Social opprobrium, a love for my family and my own body are what keep me from abusing myself with drugs. It has nothing to do with the laws passed by corrupted legislators."