Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP

The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

[Mad Dawgg]

"Do yourself a favor - go start your own company, and see how cavalier you are about good 'Murricans dipping into your pocket as a matter of right."

Oh dear, I think I am in Love!

[Texas_Dawg]

Move? No dipwad, it's no better these days in the rural or small to medium city size areas either. Between offshoring, H1Bs, L1s and illegals who are now pulling down $10-$15/hr+ there is little left for either laid off skilled workers or for young people trying to build a foothold in the job market.

That's funny. Those "illegals" don't seem to be having to hard a time finding job. I guess they are just better than you and your friends in this area. Oh well, congrats to them for winning.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Ouch. Painful truth for all.

[scottlang]

Do you understand cyclical economic downturns? Do you realize the screams and fears are the same every single time only to be forgotten in the better times a few years later? I don't like Bush's "handling" of the economy only in that he has had to pander to your crowd too much. But I understand the populace he is dealing with so I can forgive him for pandering to win votes if that's what it takes.




I do understand down turns. But that does not medigate the fact that Bush has not done much more then tax cuts to help the economy. It seems that more is needed.

I will say this if he does not start pay attention the the economy and jobs he will find a large number of voter won't vote for him.

[JNB]

If anything, I am socially conservative, pro military and economically nationalist, and I disagree again with Buchanans views on the military. And what I say stands, it is those who are pro free trade at all and any cost, and except for the lone libertarian(Gunslingr3) on this thread, who is at least consistent on his views, the reast of the people defensing free trade are what I would classify as Neo-Conservatives, claiming they are conservative, yet being for globalism at all and any cost.

Again, its ideology by slogan and pundits, and not thinking things through. How many give though about the kind of society they want to live in? How many have stopped to think about the impact a withering away of the industrial base would have? How many have thought that there will be a point that a majority of voters will no longer be willing to work harder and hader or less and less(as my REAL figures have pointed out). There will be a breaking point, and once that has been reached, all the economic and social freedoms you hold so dear will be on the table.

[JNB]

Mad Dawgg, you are only making a further fool out of yourself by this behavior. Can any of the free trade advocates in here aside from Gunslinger3 debate in a intelligent reasonable fashion?

[null and void]

We just don't want the federal government "giving" jobs to foreign workers. ~ luckystarmom

Good thing it doesn't do that. ~ Texas_Dawg

Your naïvty is astonishing.

Here's how the game is played:

A company wants to hire a cheap engineer (or whatever).

They locate a foreign national who looks like thay can do the job, maybe.

The job description is written to EXACTLY match his resume, for example 3 years C++ programing experience, 5 years AutoCAD experience, etc.

They advertise for the position. A candidate with 2 years C++ and 5 years AutoCAD is under qualified. 3 years C++ and 6 years AutoCAD is over qualified. Repeat for a dozen parameters.

SHOCK!!! No US candidates meet the job requirements.

File for an H1-B permit. Hire the selected candidate for 30-40% of the going rate.

Oh, if he looks for a better job, or tries to get fair compensation, fire him and have him deported.

It's the modern indentured servitude.

Now if y'all will excuse me, I have a contract negotiation to get to.

Keep the thread warm...

[holdmuhbeer]

You haven't told me anything I don't already know, be more specific.

[Texas_Dawg]

I will say this if he does not start pay attention the the economy and jobs he will find a large number of voter won't vote for him.

I'm sure he's never thought of this. I bet he is too busy playing golf in Crawford to just go fix the economy with his magic wand that he left back in Washington. If only he would force companies to jack their expenses up and cut their profits greatly and force the Dow down a few thousand points and on and on by paying exorbitant rates so that a few out-of-work manufacturers can afford the newest DVD player and cell phone.

[Dane]

There will be a breaking point, and once that has been reached, all the economic and social freedoms you hold so dear will be on the table

Did you lift that line from a Buchanan speech or article? Sure sounds like you did. Gloom and doom, yada, yada, yada.

Ronald Reagan was an optimist and I will follow his path.

Oh BTW, why are you repeatedly acting like a "Judas" towards Pat Buchanan with your replies after your reply #714, when in reply #714, you with your quote "the neo-cons are self destructing" is Buchanan scripture?

[WRhine]

I saw Dean perfecting his attack before a small group on C-SPAN...trotted out Bush's assurance to the Indian Government that NOTHING will be done to reign in "OUTSOURCING".

Pretty mind boggling isn't it? This is appears to be an extension of Bush’s policy of putting the interests of Mexican Illegal Aliens well above the interests of the American People. At least Bush is consistent.

A few months ago when responding to a reporter’s question about H1B Visas Bush said something to the effect that anyone that doesn't like the idea of American companies importing umpteen thousands of Indians under the H1B Visa were bigots.

Makes you wonder who he thinks he works for.

When it hits, it will be a Lightning Bolt!!!

You Bet.

[Lael]

701+ replies to the post and counting

Bushco...Big Trouble...BIG TIME!!!

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Sure. The businesses aren't yours, you guys didn't create them, nor do you have to deal with the consequences when they fail - and as a consequence, the business owners have no duty to provide sinecures for white underachievers who just happened to be born here. You can blast your trumpet regarding sovereignty and European culture all you want, but neither of those give you or your race mates the legal ability to sap the lifeblood out of a business.

[scottlang]

Bush 41 lost in 1992 because it seemed to the common man that he did not care or cared to do nothing about a poorly performing economy and the people's deep concerns over the job situation. If this is the same way in 2004 Bush could very well lose.

[StolarStorm]

"Telling someone that just lost a $20/hr job to shut up and go to McDonalds just validates the worst liberal stereotypes about Republicans."

That's why I'm convinced that Texas_Dawg isn't for real.

[scottlang]

"Telling someone that just lost a $20/hr job to shut up and go to McDonalds just validates the worst liberal stereotypes about Republicans."

This attitude help to assure a dem victory in 2004. It will hack off the middle.

[dogbyte12]

You're a lawyer, aren't you? Seriously.

Lawyers are one of the biggest drains on our economy. Malpractice, workman's comp, nuissance lawsuits. Ya know how much that costs our economy? It's staggering.

They finally settled the Jim and Tammy Fay Baker lawsuit case. After all the lawyers fees, there was under $7 left for each of the people defrauded. The lawyers suggested that since the total amount was so little, they should end up keeping that too.

I would settle for tort reform first. I am reminded of a quote from Bill Shakespeare on lawyers. Compared to him, I am a moderate.

[fortaydoos]

I had the same thought. He is a DU disruptor, playing some stereotypical "I GOT MINE, SCREW YOU" Republican.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Mad Dawgg, you are only making a further fool out of yourself by this behavior. Can any of the free trade advocates in here aside from Gunslinger3 debate in a intelligent reasonable fashion?"

We are severely hampered in our efforts since it requires two to "debate in a intelligent and reasonable fashion." I mean so far all I've heard from your side save for harpseal is that MORE Government intervention will solve the problem.

Remember, when one is digging oneself into the ground a bigger shovel and renewed effort is not the best approach to remedy the situation.

This is why our side is using the tried and true tactic of "SARCASM" which has totally escaped the notice of the Peoples Progressive Brotherhood of Unionized Buggy-whip Laborers that seem to flock to these anti-free-traitor threads.

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