Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP

The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

[Texas_Dawg]

I AM LOOKING FOR IT TO STOP GIVING AMERICAN JOBS TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEIR CITIZENS.

Let me know when it starts doing this and I'll be against it too.

[Dane]

I am not looking for the government to give me a job. I AM LOOKING FOR IT TO STOP GIVING AMERICAN JOBS TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEIR CITIZENS

What stops you from giving yourself a job. Yes it is hard to do with the high taxes and regulations manadted from the federal, state, and local governments.

And you even make it harder for yourself, with your screeching for tariffs and more regulations.

JMO, but you have an animus against self-employment.

[null and void]

I saw Dean perfecting his attack before a small group on C-SPAN...trotted out Bush's assurance to the Indian Government that NOTHING will be done to reign in "OUTSOURCING".

When it hits, it will be a Lightning Bolt!!!

The real tragedy is not that they won't see it coming. It's that they won't even recognize it when they have been quick fried to the spot...

[Lael]

701+ and counting...

Bushco...Big Trouble...BIG TIME!!!

[Texas_Dawg]

The real tragedy is not that they won't see it coming. It's that they won't even recognize it when they have been quick fried to the spot...

All you Bush-hating anti-capitalist trolls on here keep making this prediction and I keep offering to bet you anything you want on it yet none of you will take me up on it. You don't sound so sure of yourselves. Why not?

[ninenot]

The whole argument, ongoing on FR for months, is over 1) the definition of "free" trade--that is, the interference of various domestic Gummints with business, which is not matched by various foreign Gummints; and 2) the definition of 'providing for the general welfare,' found in the Declaration.

Aside from the dedicated Libertarians and the dedicated Socialists, the middle seems to understand the arguments and the consequences. Harpseal has a good handle on it.

[Texas_Dawg]

So bet me on it. Whatever you want. $10? $100? $1,000? You name it.

[null and void]

*sigh*

Some people* just can't see a flood coming no matter how many raindrops fall...

[scottlang]

True Bush will have to wake up and at least seen to care soon if he wants a second term.

[ArneFufkin]

Lael, when a 700 post thread involves the same 20 active participants, that signals no groundswell.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Now perhaps you could gain an economic advantage by offering to do this job for free that is up to yoru and of course the exporter and importer."

Back in the late 80's I made a deal with a local "businessman", a very successful businessman I might add. The deal was I would work for him in the evenings each day of the workweek and my financial compensation would be nothing.

That is right absolutely no money whatsoever. All I wanted was his knowledge. I did errands and paperwork, I even helped unload cargo. I was allowed to ask questions and I was given detailed information on how this businessman made money.

Working for nothing was the best Money I ever made in my life!

[Texas_Dawg]

True Bush will have to wake up and at least seen to care soon if he wants a second term.

Bet me on it. Please. Put your money where your mouth is.

[riri]

And Dean won't do anything but extend current programs. That ofcourse, will lead to a worsening of the situation. The way will then be paved for programs and movements such as broader earned income tax credits, negative income taxes guaranteeing a minimum income, federal health insurance, etc.

[JNB]

This is a repost. THis is the median family income over the last 40+ years

http://www.usc.edu/schools/sppd/research/casden/research/data_folder/us_fainco.pdf

And this is the median price of a home over the last 40 years

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/cenc25/c25m01

The family income to price of home ratio was 2.75 in 63, 3.05 in 85 and it is 3.6 today, all the while the percentage of familes with both parents working has increased. Again this thread shows the Neo-Cons are a clueless bunch, and they are self destructing before our eyes in this thread.

[luckystarmom]

I think it will be worse with the dems. That's why I want the republicans to do something about it. I don't want the dems in office because all they do is make everything worse.

However, if the repubilcans don't do anything then a dem could be elected. I don't think in 2004, but I do think it could happen in 2008. I think that person could be Hitlery, and that is a very scary prospect.

[Dane]

You mean Republican, Arne.

Let Lael and those at the Dean headquarters have their little fantasy.

[Texas_Dawg]

It's nice to know that none of y'all truly seem to think Bush will lose. That's good. Neither do I.

[null and void]

Everyone's for stiffing the rich guys... until they find out that they're someone else's "rich guy" :)

Saddly, that doesn't happen until AFTER the election...

[JNB]

To be fair, the Libertarians are at least consistent. Libertarians are are against corporate welfare, the FED and currency and economic minipulations that Neo-Conservatives support. The Libertarians are also honestly for the smallest govrenment possible, unlike Neo-Conservatives. i Do not agree with many of the Libertarian positions, but they are consistent at least.

[harpseal]

And I utterly support your Freedom to do so but legally you were not an employee becuase were you an employee you would have been subject to the minimum wage law. I would use this as an argument to support point 13 but I am afraid most would not sign on to that.