Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP

The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

[dogbyte12]

Don't respond to him. He went for the race card again. He is losing. Let him.

My co-workers are from over the entire planet. Every continent except Antarctica. Several of them are here, legally from Asia, Africa, and Latin America. They are americans. They are no longer Nigerians, Vietnamese, El Salvadoran.

They are american as you or I, more so than "little man dawg". They love this country. They work hard, and they care about others. I suppose it's our fault that England isn't offering up 10 cents an hour workers, child labor, and high tarriffs. Perhaps we should encourage that, so some dipsh#t, has no straw man argument to confuse the issue.

[Texas_Dawg]

Further, didn't you realize that the status of a worker as a white guy with European ancestry is a far greater job qualification than education, skill, or the willingness to work for less money than the next guy?

Funny you say that because my last roommate was white. He was always yelling at the pizza delivery guy, his mom, his sister, doormen, etc. Then he moved out and in desperation to fill the room before I had to pay for it, I had to settle for another guy who swears he's American, but he looks like a damn Chinaman to me. (He keeps telling me that's because his dad was from China but I'm keeping my eye on him nevertheless.) So anyway, this new roommate is a really nice guy (I wonder what his motives are) and is never yelling at anyone and always pays me for the rent on time and when his Chinawoman fiance comes over she's always nice and considerate and doesn't act like a total snob like my white roommate's white, American girlfriend. Yeah... this sneaky Chinaman is what some might call a good guy but I felt a hell of a lot better about my country and my comfort zones back when my apartment was 100% pure and white. Who let these people in here anyway?!?

[fortaydoos]

Anyone who, as you rightly say, laughs at the misery of his fellow Americans is not worth your breathe. Ignore the free traitor and maybe he will go away. This issue is gaining momentum and Bush and the Republicans will ignore it at their peril.

Ultimately, I am hopeful President Bush will do the right thing, but am concerned he is getting bum advice from some of those around him on this issue.

[Texas_Dawg]

The Indians are payed a lot less. Instead of say $100K, they are typically paid $40K.

Just a question... why should the federal government force me to pay you (or anyone) $100K when someone else is willing to do the job I need done for $40K?

[Iscool]

Something you don't understand...This country has a border around it...There are still quite a number of us who haven't yet given up our sovereign American citizenship...

This country was built by average Americans and folks who wanted to be Americans...

When an employer sells his birthright for profit and sees no problem with screwing the average American for his own personal gain, it's time for that employer to go...My sovereignty supercedes your profits any and every day of the week...Go away un-American...

[Texas_Dawg]

Ultimately, I am hopeful President Bush will do the right thing, but am concerned he is getting bum advice from some of those around him on this issue.

You mean... economists?

[Mad Dawgg]

"We won't be able to afford a private school. My husband and I will be working to pay our mortgage and put food on the table and clothes on our backs. That's a lot worse than how I was raised."

I am curious how much income does your family receive?

Mrs. Dawgg and I have a combined total yearly paycheck of $28,850.00. That is Gross BTW or more to the point before taxes are taken out.

My Daughter goes to private school. My mother and father both worked when I was young and Mrs. Dawgg and I have always worked.

Sometimes the economy has a downturn and business reacts by trimming down the costs and looking for new ways to make money.

It is sad really and it would be truly wonderful if everyone got everything they wanted but sometimes reality comes crashing down and reminds us there are no guarantees, no matter what any politician tries to tell you!

[luckystarmom]

Let's see.

Software company A has a choice between hiring an American with lots of experience in engineering, but he cost $100k.

Or software company A can hire an Indian with not much experience and pay him $30K.

Software company A gets American engineers to train the Indian enginner, and then fires the American engineer.

Now the Indian engineer is trained and then decides to return to India. He takes his expertise and starts his own company. Software company B. Software company B makes software even cheaper than software company A.

Now software company A cannot sell it's software, and it closes. Everyone in software company A loses their jobs. Now the USA has lost a software company to India.

This keeps on happening until there is no more software development in the USA. Kids in US colleges don't get degrees in software because there are not many jobs.

The defense industry suffers because there aren't qualified software engineers to design or develop new defense systems.

The entire US software industry suffers, and there are not as many innovations in the US like things like web-browsers.

In the end, the US economy never recovers, the Indian economy prospers. Their defense industry surpasses us, and they become the worlds super power.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

When an employer sells his birthright for profit and sees no problem with screwing the average American for his own personal gain, it's time for that employer to go...My sovereignty supercedes your profits any and every day of the week...Go away un-American...

Excuse me, "little man" - but what risks did you take to start that employer's business? Come up with the idea? Mortgage everything you owned? Spend the sleepless nights wondering whether the payroll and taxes could be covered? Looked at a valued employee who was going through a personal crisis and underperforming while you decide how much you can tolerate - all while wanting to be supportive and helpful?

You have no right to demand any more than that employer can afford to pay for that function simply because you are of Northern European ancestry, and through a stroke of good luck, you happened to be born behind American borders.

[fortaydoos]

I agree. When I volunteered for the Army, it wasn't for the damn pay, it was because I believed - and still believe - in the ideals of America. Unfair trade that enriches a few who live in gated communities, and uncontrolled ILLEGAL immigration that prevents legal immigrants and citizens from finding entry level jobs and not the ideals I believe in.

Some things supersede the almighty dollar.

[janetgreen]

I think Bush IS a Socialist, that's why I won't vote for him again.

[Texas_Dawg]

In the end, the US economy never recovers, the Indian economy prospers. Their defense industry surpasses us, and they become the worlds super power.

Ohhhh ship! We're all doomed.

So this isn't about you and your job? It's about you wanting to save our country now? That's nice of you.

[fortaydoos]

Stop imputing racists statements to him that he did not make.

[Texas_Dawg]

I think Bush IS a Socialist, that's why I won't vote for him again.

ABB. (Anyone but Bush) I was fooled once, not again.

So you would vote for Al Sharpton instead?

[Mad Dawgg]

"Don't respond to him. He went for the race card again. He is losing. Let him.

My co-workers are from over the entire planet. Every continent except Antarctica. Several of them are here, legally from Asia, Africa, and Latin America. They are americans. They are no longer Nigerians, Vietnamese, El Salvadoran.

They are american as you or I, more so than "little man dawg". They love this country. "

(Sigh) Dogbyte you do realize that Texas Dawg's foray into racism is the very essence of "Sarcasm" don't you? Or, did you miss the entire "Merchant" tirade earlier in the thread?

Can you spell clueless? Come on I know you can!

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Sorry, but I've learned that whenever I see the word "sovereignty" in a thread around here, I'm in socialist crackerland.

[holdmuhbeer]

Mrs. Dawgg and I have a combined total yearly paycheck of $28,850.00.

Gee dude that sucks, what do you do for a living? I imagine I could make that much working at Wally world. Ever thought of changing careers?

[Beck_isright]

" It is also possible more voters will just stay at home on election day."

Very possible. I know two at least.

[fortaydoos]

Look, we can disagree on trade, borders, illegal immigration, but you are strongly suggesting someone has made racists posting when he did nothing of the sort.