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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

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To: Malsua
Nevermind that though. You're making a killing now...right? heh. Reality will hit you at 2pm on some tuesday and you're vision will become crystal clear. Nevermind those blinkers now though...full speed ahead.

You're not a conservative so naturally we would disagree on this.

341 posted on 08/25/2003 7:49:46 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Because people living under a bridge are concerned with how they got under the bridge to begin with..

Right or wrong, I think Dubya is going to get blamed for this next November.

342 posted on 08/25/2003 7:50:49 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ ("Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville!")
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To: faithincowboys
See my 13 point plan posted in a number of places on this thread. see 294.
343 posted on 08/25/2003 7:51:47 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Texas_Dawg
It's all about pride, my friend. "Look at me... I care so much more for the little man than you..."

I don't think it's about pride. We all know that a heap of compost cares more about the little man than you do.

344 posted on 08/25/2003 7:52:04 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: WRhine
"What I would say is that people such as yourself are quite naive and deluded to believe anything good can come from pursuing One-Way Industry Destroying Trade Deals with a Communist Nation where Freedom and Liberty are non-existent and slave labor is a way of life."

What is it they say about assuming?

Tell me how did we arrive at this point, I mean where jobs are going out of the country?

345 posted on 08/25/2003 7:52:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Texas_Dawg
*sigh* I'm not by any means confident Dubya will win a second term.

Remember the "It's the ECONOMY, Stupid" signs?

If enough people are un/under employed he WILL lose.

If enough people are un/under employed he would lose to HILLARY!™...

346 posted on 08/25/2003 7:53:29 PM PDT by null and void (Does that snap it into better focus for you???)
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To: snopercod
I'm looking to vote for a candidate (of any party) which will stand up for the principles on which this nation was founded. Individual freedom, limited government, and rule of law.

Seen any lately?

I haven't. Such candidates seem to be persona nongrada in both parties.

347 posted on 08/25/2003 7:53:37 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Junior_G; Chancellor Palpatine; rdb3
We all know that a heap of compost cares more about the little man than you do.

Sweet. Our nightly "little man" caring for.

348 posted on 08/25/2003 7:53:42 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: null and void
I'm not by any means confident Dubya will win a second term.

Want to bet me on it?

349 posted on 08/25/2003 7:54:28 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: WRhine
Yeah, China is a good friend that means no harm.

They're a competitor.

They don't want to take over Taiwan.

Want into one hand.

Excrete fecal material into the other.

Pray tell me which one fills first.

Their rapid military build up is just for defensive purposes.

"Rapid" military build-up?

Are you one of those folks who said that Reagan's military buildup was an example of US warmongering? THAT little exercise was much faster AND much more broadly based than what the Chinese are doing. The actual number of Chinese under arms has actually declined.

Their tenacious pirating of our technology is only because they want to be just like us.

Their tenacious pirating of our technology points out their Achilles' heel: they can't do any large-scale R&D of their own.

350 posted on 08/25/2003 7:55:00 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
BTW, you used < /sarcasm > a few posts back. Time to change your tag line...
351 posted on 08/25/2003 7:55:18 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Texas_Dawg
It's all about pride, my friend. "Look at me... I care so much more for the little man than you..." Really dumb, typical Democratic populism, and terrible economic policy.

Why didn't the Founding Fathers just put into place an aristocracy and a whole different Constitution that wasn't about "the people"? Why did they allow tariffs?

352 posted on 08/25/2003 7:55:43 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Texas_Dawg
"Sweet. Our nightly "little man" caring for."

Busted!

You dont' care for the little man....

You don't care for the little man....

neener neener neener

353 posted on 08/25/2003 7:55:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Poohbah
You are trying to counter "We're all doomed!" with facts?

Silly man... don't you know "We're all doomed!"?

354 posted on 08/25/2003 7:56:28 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: Texas_Dawg


>>You're not a conservative so naturally we would disagree on this.<<

see. Labels.

I'm a conservative. I'm NOT a free traitor.

I'm for fair trade. You're for supporting communists who erect barriers and block the US entry into Asian markets.

When China drops the protections, I'm all for exploiting their cheap labor. It will STILL be cheap if they had a fully open market. Right now, it's blocked. YOU support this. YOU are the problem.
355 posted on 08/25/2003 7:56:51 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: null and void
*sigh* I'm not by any means confident Dubya will win a second term.

I predict that what Bush will do is wait for a Republican of some kind to get into California and bail-out California right before the election ---- if $15 billion can be thrown at African AIDS, certainly there is $35 billion or so around to throw at California. With those electoral votes, he doesn't have to worry about a few other minor states like Florida.

356 posted on 08/25/2003 7:58:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: null and void
Ok, here is my analogy of what is going on. A company is headquartered in Anytown, USA. It's a small town, population 15,000. A young man in town had a dream of building a widget factory. Slowly, through the years, it grew. His workers busted their tales off, he was rewarded with profits, they were rewarded with a decent salary. 20 years pass. This company is now THE industry in town. 4,000 people work there. The company is making a profit, but the profit is flat. Last year, the CEO pocketed just $800,000.

Somebody tells him of a place called China, where labor, environment, workers rights are not a sweat. They can pay the workers less in a week, than each worker he employs at an average salary of $15 an hour makes in a week. So this CEO, shutters the plant, lays off the 4,000 workers, and moves operations to China. He has a great year. He sells his product for cheaper, but reaps 4 times the profit. He takes home $3,200,000.

Yes, it is capitalism. The CEO is doing better, much better. 4,000 people are looking for jobs, and there is nothing there. The Wal-Mart 15 miles a way needs some people, but not 4,000. People go on welfare, or move, or scramble for anything they can get.

Economically, the CEO made the right decision. What the neo-con free traders seem not to grasp, was that the highest profit possible is not the only goal in governing our communities. We believe in profit. The workers at his plant had given him 20 years of blood sweat and tears to make sure the boss made a profit, and to profit themselves.

I am sure the free traders will say that all these workers are whiners, are driving around in SUV's, and have lakefront summer homes, but that isn't reality.

The CEO is free to do what he wants, but he does have a moral obligation to the town that he came from, grew up in. Free Traders believe morality should be off the table. China still points missiles at us. Who cares? Vietnam chains workers to machines. Who cares? 10 years back when you were trying to expand, you got a huge order in, and you had to ask your workers to give up their holidays, special family time, in order for you to make this big deal, that helped you grow. Who cares? I will close this long rant with a quote from our third president Thomas Jefferson. A citizen, a farmer, and a patriot.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.

357 posted on 08/25/2003 7:58:09 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Junior_G
No, but he did have his sister as United States Treasurer

Bay Buchanan was Treasurer of Reagan's National Campaign Committees in 80 and 84.

358 posted on 08/25/2003 7:58:09 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Texas_Dawg
He's got me down pat.
359 posted on 08/25/2003 7:58:31 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (This is the fault of outsourcing, offshoring, immigration and PC. We're all doomed.)
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To: ArneFufkin
Bay Buchanan was Treasurer of Reagan's National Campaign Committees in 80 and 84.

Did the campaign committees run detailed audits after those elections?

360 posted on 08/25/2003 7:59:18 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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