Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP

The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

[ArneFufkin]

This outsourcing flap is just the new anti-Bush attack by the Buchanan losers. The FR "williegreens". Guys who make Ned Ludd look like a visionary. They never voted for Bush in the first place. There's nothing for Bush to lose from this motley crew.

[KevinDavis]

Who are you going to vote for? Howard Dean?

[templar]

Both parties have totally forgotten the middle class and we are bleeding jobs and will bleed to death if something isn't done soon.

What I see in our future:

The class structure we have won't change much, just redistribute. America will become structured more like Mexico. A small elite that owns and runs the country, A small and well to do middle class of professionals and highly skilled specialized workers and artisans that service and support the lifestyle of the Elite. and the lower class of peasants, which will be everyone else. The chance for upward mobility will be almost non-existant for the vast majority of people. We'll all have the same rights we have now, on paper at least, but only the upper two classes will be able to exercize them with any degree of meaningfulness.

I believe this is at least 10 years away. I may be wrong.

[Poohbah]

Oops.

You broke the code.

BTW, how many do you think have "Multiple Freeper Screen Name Disorder?"

[JNB]

The Metric to be used is comparing median income from 1960 to today and comparing the median price of a home compared to today. Not using the average income, using the median is far more realistic than using the average.

[Texas_Dawg]

I gave up on Bush, I don't like his pandering to foreign interests at the expense of America.

That's funny because I don't like him pandering to people like you. I'm still going to vote for him though because unlike you, I hate true socialists even more.

[janetgreen]

#34. Good post.

[Texas_Dawg]

This outsourcing flap is just the new anti-Bush attack by the Buchanan losers. The FR "williegreens". Guys who make Ned Ludd look like a visionary. They never voted for Bush in the first place. There's nothing for Bush to lose from this motley crew

Yep. I've said it a million times and I stick to it... Bush will win fairly easily in 2004. Haven't seen anything to make me change my mind on this. Paleos mad at him still? Good, he's doing something right.

[Dilbert56]

Yes. Then Congress would tell companies what prodcuts to make, how many of each to produce, the maximum to charge for their products, how many employees to hire by ethnicity, gender, etc. We could roll all these mandates up into a seven year plan and redo it every two years.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The aim being the to make people believe the only future hope for them or their children is a new international government.

So what's wrong with that?

Every planet that the Enterprise visits has only one world government. And if Star Trek tells me so...then it must be a good thing.

</dripping sarcasm>

[Dane]

I believe this is at least 10 years away. I may be wrong

And 15 years ago, the all knowing press was saying that the Japanese would be owning everything.

[harpseal]

China has an average tariff on imports from the USA of 70% and India has the world's second highest tariffs after Pakistan. I can definitely still easily source the India number and the China one needs going to a link that is now broken but I can dig it up from some other source if need be. I will be over the next few weeks.

The current tariff structure is in accord with the Uraguay round tariff structures. The purpose of teh Uraguay Round agreement on tariffs which was later put through by the WTO is specifically transfer wealth and industry from Rich nations to poor nations. yes I can provide a link to this if needed.

Just some facts to try to illuminate the discussions.

[Texas_Dawg]

I freely admit to this in teh past but lets move on and deal with issues regarding our economy.

No.

[ArneFufkin]

I do note that a lot of the names we became so familiar with as mouth-frothing Brigaders in 1999 and 2000 have disappeared, to be replaced by people who registered in November-December 2000 - playing the role today as Bush voters/supporters who have since soured totally on the man.

It's not even a subtle charade. These people are incapable of anything elegant or clever.

[Jhoffa_]

I am not sure I support wage controls for CEO's.

However, something is going to come to pass very soon in this department. Be it good or bad, I am just hearing too much about unemployed Americans and jobs going overseas.

You know, Iraq is great... I am 100% in agreement with our mission there. Osama & the tallybastards too, they got what they deserved.. That's all fine and good.

But people can't eat that, or spend it and I think the next election will turn on kitchen table issues like jobs, the economy and other domestic concerns.

I believe the general consensus will be: "Yes, Saddam was a bad guy.. But that was yesterday. Today, the mortgage is due and little billy needs braces. George Bush doesn't care if my job went to China or India, and I want change.."

All the spin, all the hype, all the media coverage in the world will not pay the rent or send a kid to college. Americans need jobs and financial security every bit as much as much as they need homeland security and protection from despots like Saddam and his fruitcake pals.

[Mears]

I agree with everything you said,but the length of time---I think we're talking 25 years. I hope we're both wrong and some sanity will prevail.

[Poohbah]

China has an average tariff on imports from the USA of 70% and India has the world's second highest tariffs after Pakistan.

And this makes Congress imposing more taxation on US corporations' overseas revenue (the idea I was responding to in Post #123) a good idea because...?

(Cue "Final Jeopardy" theme)

[FITZ]

I think some people live in certain regions that are doing okay, or all the people they know and mingle with --- ie -the country club, seem to all be doing very well. If you live in a free-trade affected region, things can seem quite different. We're decades past the 60s yet here one third of the employed people make exactly minimum wage, only one third makes over $10 an hour and a huge and growing number are living on welfare. I think in the 60's more people were over minimum wage and really probably about the same percent were making over $10 an hour. This area was actually supposed to be one of the ones benefitting the most from NAFTA (so they said at the time), it's been a total disaster with more people being put out of work and not much seems to be on the horizon.

[Texas_Dawg]

And 15 years ago, the all knowing press was saying that the Japanese would be owning everything.

And then it was the Mexicans, and now Indians and Chinese, and on and on...

Never underestimate the ability of cyclical economic downtunrns to lead paleos to conclude that we are all doomed (and it's them damn imgrants! fault).

[janetgreen]

Who are you going to vote for? Howard Dean?

ABB. (Anyone but Bush) I was fooled once, not again. I don't like his policies on many levels. He has turned his back on America.