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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
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| August 13, 2003
| RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM
Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Junior
There is nothing that doesn't remind me of God, either. However, I don't consider science to be religious or religion. I especially don't pick and choose what science I accept based upon some subjective reading of Scripture. I can no more toss out evolutionary bio;ogy than I can quantum physics; they are inextricably bound up together and with the entire totality of the body of science. And there is really no reason to throw out any science. If it flies in the face of your deeply-held worldview, maybe you should reexamine the latter. The rest of us Christians have come to grips with it and found it doesn't alter our faith one iota. So you're a Christian who believes in evolution?
2,641
posted on
08/25/2003 12:29:06 PM PDT
by
biblewonk
(Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
I was wondering how come ALS was banned? He made these threads fun and you guys know it. What is going on. It is too confusing. Why are the playing fields becoming so one sided?
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
LOL you're slick. I am not surprised. I wondered what took ya so long. I have no hard feelings toward anyone. Huh? What are you referring to?
I was there on your last thread. You yanked your pledge back and asked Jim to ban you. You also said some unpleasant things about Conservatism on this site.
Have you changed your mind? Did you apologize? Or did you just sneak back and get "outed"?
2,643
posted on
08/25/2003 12:29:36 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(Wisdom comes by disillusionment. -George Santanyana)
To: Da_Shrimp
I have no idea what the fact that I'm English has to do with anything on this thread! Nor I. Which brings an English joke to mind.
I think it was Lord Palmerston who was receiving the French ambassador. Trying to be friendly and break the ice, the Frenchman said: "You know, If I weren't a Frenchman, I would want to be an Englishman." Palmerston huffily responded: "And if I were not an Englishman, I should want to be an Englishman."
2,644
posted on
08/25/2003 12:29:37 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Hic amor, haec patria est.)
To: js1138
#2634 is an attempt to express what I mean.
2,645
posted on
08/25/2003 12:30:19 PM PDT
by
biblewonk
(Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
To: Da_Shrimp
NO I have none towards you at all. It is just that American conservatism is under attack these days and we have to know who the enemy is. I am not saying it's you so don't misread this. The real enemy is satan plain and simple.
To: Da_Shrimp
Just leave it alone, when they are trolling for flamewars, just don't show up.
It's much easier that way.
We know why you are here, and you are always welcome.
2,647
posted on
08/25/2003 12:32:10 PM PDT
by
Aric2000
(If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
To: balrog666
Now answer me this. WHY WOULD I ASK TO BE BANNED?? In light of the fact that I enjoyed posting to so many here.
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
There was much speculation regarding your departure. You did post this to JimRob:
You can go ahead and do what you do Jim Dear. I have learned more about my party (Republican) here and all the garbage that goes with it than I ever learned before I came here. Thanks to your site, I may consider changing my polital affiliation. P.S. cancel my donation pledge that I made yesterday. I cannot support this liberal site one moment longer. Thank you 490 posted on 07/12/2003 2:04 AM EDT by goodseedhomeschool (Evolution is the religion for men who want no accountability)
We thought that pretty much did the trick. And by the way, I can pretty safely assume most Freepers are bible believing christians. As far as I know, only one creationist was banned from here recently, and I don't care how much you agreed with him, you still have to admit he got a bit carried away on occasion, no? You and I had some mighty disagreements, but you never called into question my sexuality or called my disparaging names. He did these things to many people and he is gone. It had nothing at all to do with his YEC beliefs, trust me.
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
Let's try it again.
How did you manage the name change from concisetraveler?
Are you claiming to be the former Freeper know as goodseedhomeshool?
2,650
posted on
08/25/2003 12:35:20 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(Wisdom comes by disillusionment. -George Santanyana)
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
NO I have none towards you at all. It is just that American conservatism is under attack these days and we have to know who the enemy is.Then you have have no enemy in me. I'm a PROUD PATRIOTIC Englishman and I enjoy reading and posting to this site because it deal with a lot of things I believe in.
To: All
Now answer me this. WHY WOULD I ASK TO BE BANNED?? In light of the fact that I enjoyed posting to so many here. It's not goodseed. It's just another troll.
It must have some connection to a mod to get the name changed though.
2,652
posted on
08/25/2003 12:36:54 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(Wisdom comes by disillusionment. -George Santanyana)
To: Shryke
However, I believe you are drawing a rather flawed conclusion regarding other planets and the possibility of life elsewhere. The lack of biblical details concerning non-terran events does not mean that those events did not happen, IMHO. This is a flawed argument. It is the same as the Catholic who invents hundreds of doctrines about Mary and says that just because the Bible doesn't say them doesn't mean that they aren't true. When the bible puts the rest of the universe at the feet of the earth regarding creation, that is all it needs to say. One must reject the whole 6 day creation and substitute some theistic evolution theory to allow any possiblity of importance to the rest of the universe.
Additionally, the quotation of the bible regarding God sending his only son to earth does not preclude life elsewhere. It only precludes that his son (human male child) has not been there - which would be entirely likely if some non-terran life form was not human, would it not? Even the verse from Genesis regarding man being created in the image of God doesn't mean life is terran only.
All I can think to say is that this is like saying, "So other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the show?". It is surreal.
Also, please understand I am not debating the validity of your beliefs, or the bible. I am debating your interpretations of inferences.
You are probably quite uncomfortable with the 6 day creation interpretation. Atleast, I assume this. There are certainly a lot of church goers who no longer believe this.
2,653
posted on
08/25/2003 12:38:03 PM PDT
by
biblewonk
(Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
To: js1138
Lots of people from northern Africa and the Middle East - Morocco, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Anatolia, Turkey - have extremely white skin "where the sun don't shine" but jet black hair.
Further south and east, many Asiatics and Pacific Islanders have very dark skin and straight black hair - India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Polynesia, Australia.
Most of what we know about race in the US is "colored" by the fact that we mostly have the extremes - northwestern Europeans vs. sub-Saharan Africans - and not so many of those in the middle of the continuum.
2,654
posted on
08/25/2003 12:38:32 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: Aric2000
We know why you are here, and you are always welcomeThanks, that means more to me than I can say.
To: Da_Shrimp
You're very welcome, I just state it as I see it.
And you live in a beautiful part of england.
Those pictures are gorgeous, just looks a little cold...;)
2,656
posted on
08/25/2003 12:42:05 PM PDT
by
Aric2000
(If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
To: whattajoke
Well at the time I thought I was being set up. As for the donation part? Well I never got my money back so what difference does it make now. Support=money, not asking to be banned. Do you have to pay to post here? I did learn a lot about my political party here and am still researching it. When I asked a question I did not expect such an ugly mean response. It did take me off guard. I have seen and learned more since then.
Yes I think many Freepers are Christians hence my return. If there were none here I would not want to be here either. The problem does not lie in my Christian bretheren, but in the ones who are trying to destroy conservatism. Some who post here. I guess it is appropriate to hear both sides but when it becomes one sided, then there's a problem. I am sure those trying to destroy us are few here, but in some areas they lurk moreso than others.
To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
Why are the playing fields becoming so one sided?I don't think things are one-sided when we are forced to defind scientific conclusions. It is truely boring when the threads are clutttered up with side issues unrelated to the topics.
To: Da_Shrimp
The same goes for me. I too enjoy posting here for the same reasons.
To: DittoJed2
Thank you so much for your post! Indeed, it is a huge problem for science to define and keep a boundary with regard to metaphysics. If the line is drawn too firm, it leads to undesirable consequences of strong determinism. If it is drawn willy nilly, it leads to presumption and abuse.
Speaking of lines, there is a fine one between Intelligent Design and Theistic Evolution. I suspect that may be why ID is somewhat successful with parents and school boards.
ID has the potential of a much stronger argument than it has used so far. For instance, a measure of complexity was evidently developed and used by Dembski to speak of irreducible complexity. It was met with huge resistance. Yockey, on the other hand, used the widely accepted Shannon entropy to argue against abiogenesis. His views were taken seriously. Functional complexity was raised by Schützenberger. And other, non-ID scientists, are taking a hard look at the rise of autonomous self-organizing biological complexity through other methods, e.g. automata and Kolmogorov complexity/Solomonoff induction.
Even if they were to conclude that there is not enough time on the geological scale for the diversity of biological life to evolve in the order shown by the tree of life in the manner proposed by the theory of evolution - science will still want an explanation of the fossil record (tree,) and to get there, that explanation will of necessity point to the metaphysical.
That would open a floodgate of metaphysical explanations for phenomenon that science is loathe to entertain. Nevertheless, science is even now getting into the physics of consciousness and IMHO, will be compelled to move the metaphysical line at least somewhat.
For any Lurkers interested in more on my views of this subject: Evolution through the Back Door
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