White-Collar Exodus

ABC News ^ | July 29, 2003 | Betsy Stark

[Dane]

Tariffs sure would help that situation greatly. MFN status with China was utter insanity, and what is more insane, was at the time I was indifferent to the granting thereof.

I've come a long way in my political education.

And, JMO, it seems that you have a long way to go in economic education.

High tariffs after the stock market fall in 29, worsend the depression.

[arete]

"'If we don’t have a manufacturing sector, we don’t have an economy. If we don’t have manufacturing jobs, we don’t have a middle class," Johnson told the cheering crowd gathered in Welte Hall at Central Connecticut State University."

Manufacturing rally draws 1,200

Richard W.

[Concentrate]

A few of us are beginning to question his honesty, concerning his business. I don't think a lot of successful businesspeople act like he does.

I'm not so sure. My radar tells me he's on the up and up. His message may be something many don't want to hear in the coming depression.

The coming economic malaise will, or may be, due to offshoring. I just don't see how the markets, especially the real real estate market can avoid a downturn with so many having their income reduced.

[SerpentDove]

>>But you go ahead get yourself into a tizzy, while ignoring all the facts and machinations of modern American politics.
<<

Dane, I said nothing rude or even confrontational to you. You are the one in a tizzy, it seems to me.

[Dane]

What has really made the US rich is the fact that we destroyed nearly all of industrial bases of competing countries during WWII, which is why jobs and retirement packages were secure

1945-1965 were great years for the US economy. The US was the only industrialized country left intact after the war.

The countries in war torn Europe bought our good to rebuild their economies and the unions got everything they wanted and the steel companies and car companies acquiesed, but there was also danger that bore itself out. The US became complacent and lazy, and when the newly rebuilt economies of Europe and Japan could compete, they did very well, and Americans flocked to their quality products.

But all good times come to an end, though some wish they could click their ruby slippers and go back to those times, while ignoring the present world all around them.

[Lazamataz]

Another sign said "Fair Trade, not Free Trade." Another read "Save the Middle Class."

From the article, it looks like Democrats are getting ready to reject free trade in favor of fair trade. Dodd was whipping this rally into a fever.

This is strange, because historically, Republicans have favored tariffs. Looks like they are abandoning them, and Democrats are grabbing the issue as fast as possible.

Bush -- or if not Bush, other Republicans -- are in a world of hurt if they let this happen.

[Dane]

Dane, I said nothing rude or even confrontational to you. You are the one in a tizzy, it seems to me.

That's not confontational, it was observational.

I just pointed out the facts of what a Perot vote brought you, eight years of Clinton.

[sarcasm]

Nancy Johnson on Free Trade

for 2 full quotes for background on Free Trade.

• Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
• Voted YES on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)

[Lazamataz]

Dane, I said nothing rude or even confrontational to you.

Welcome to Dane. He thrives on negative attention. I shall ruin his evening. I shall give him none.

[garbanzo]

Subject for another thread - this one is long enough already.

[Lazamataz]

The coming economic malaise will, or may be, due to offshoring. I just don't see how the markets, especially the real real estate market can avoid a downturn with so many having their income reduced.

Correct. So don't you think it is a good idea to discourage offshoring in every possible way?

[Dane]

This is strange, because historically, Republicans have favored tariffs. Looks like they are abandoning them, and Democrats are grabbing the issue as fast as possible.

Bush -- or if not Bush, other Republicans -- are in a world of hurt if they let this happen

Huh, Reagan wasn't for tariffs at all. He used them selctively, but he was free trader.

BTW, where was Dodd when NAFTA came up for a vote and of course Dodd did play defense for Clinton selling our military secrets to the Chi-Coms for campaign contributions.

But what the hey it looks like all is forgiven for Dodd to you, becuase he is pandering to you "the world is coming to an end types".

[Lazamataz]

Subject for another thread - this one is long enough already.

Comon give it up garbanzo. Don't give me the excuse this thread is too long. Hobbit hole threads are 12,000 strong and they still can talk.

[Lazamataz]

No negative attention for you, boy.

[montag813]

I think Bush will "get it" now.

What on earth makes you think Bush has a problem with this? He is a Harvard MBA and a globalist. His Yale and Harvard classmates are at the apex of American industry, driving this very exodus.

[Dane]

How come you didn't post Dodd's vote?

Oh BTW, Dodd was the DNC chairman when Clinton sold the Chinese, miltary secrets.

Oh I forgot, Dodd is your man now, nevermind.

[Lael]

If affect, Dubya said, "Put some ice on it."

LOL!!!!!

BTW, you KNOW that this issue has legs because these posts run 200+, 300+, 400+ replies, and has been the only one where 'they' can't answer with a Clinton Era quote or story.

Yes, it started under Clinton, but a book about that, The Judas Economy came out in the late 1990's while we were all into Blue Dress Stains and Raped Nursing Home Directors.

This issue will be hung around Dubya's neck.

AOL-Time Warner-CNN have started the coordinated attack!!

[Dane]

No negative attention for you, boy

IOW, Laz doesn't want to refute reply #432. It doesn't square with his own little world.

[AndyJackson]

The income tax is now trivial ($45 per year for a family of four earning $40k/yr)

Once you take 7% FICA + state income tax + sales tax + property tax + vehicle taxes and fees + dog license fees + I'll bet he still pays 30% of his income in taxes.

[nmh]

The major liberal media networks will play this up to make Bush look life a failure. The truth, like any other time, people must seek out new skills.