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White-Collar Exodus
ABC News ^ | July 29, 2003 | Betsy Stark

Posted on 08/03/2003 7:42:08 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan

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To: MrNatural
I see your point; from the point of view of the capitalist, if they're making enough to be keep their wealth, and their income is sufficient to hire the army of servants, and potential competion from below is hamstrung, then as far as they're concerned, the system works fine.

That's my point. To the super-wealthy man, if his wealth is reduced to a quarter of what it was, but everyone else is on the edge of destitution, then he's better off. Flunkies become much more eager to please if the alternative is starvation, and there are lots of pretty girls suddenly much more eager to share his dinner table (and bed). He can live out in the beautiful woods without uppity developers trying to build tasteless McMansions nearby for the upper middle class

301 posted on 08/03/2003 1:53:07 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: MrNatural; AndyJackson; Lazamataz
This should warm your heart a bit < /scarasm>

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_31/b3844132_mz033.htm
302 posted on 08/03/2003 1:57:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (WERE)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
From the article in Denver Post today Denver-based Quark Inc., one of the nation's best-known software companies, has just built a brand-new facility that will employ 1,000 software and technology workers. The growth might appear encouraging to the state's ailing tech economy, but there's a key caveat: the center, and the jobs, are in Chandigarh, India.

The demand for construction and other skills will diminish here as well as American compnaies will need less office space here since their labor base will be in India. It may take a little longer here for other trades to be effected but they will.
303 posted on 08/03/2003 1:57:38 PM PDT by Delphster
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To: Mini-14; All
My own Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois sent me a letter claiming that H-1Bs and L-1s are necessary because there is a "shortage" of workers in the U.S.

Of course there is not a shortage of IT workers in the U.S. So why does Congressman Kirk say there is? I can't believe the guy is so clueless as to actually believe there's a shortage of IT workers in the U.S. What's in it for him?

304 posted on 08/03/2003 1:57:47 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Delphster
The demand for construction and other skills will diminish here as well as American compnaies will need less office space here since their labor base will be in India. It may take a little longer here for other trades to be effected but they will.

Not as long as you think. That was a plant that may have been built here..that is happening all over the country.

305 posted on 08/03/2003 1:59:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (WERE)
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To: Agamemnon
Actually, if you look back in the thread, Laz foolishly attempted to insult my own career accomplishments, thinking he could put me under the table (without knowing them of course -- a sure sign of a poorly prepared debater and loser who has a penchant for stretching his arguments beyong the scope of credibility). Of course, he just stepped into the mess he created in his own diaper.

LOL!

Incorrect.

In message #121 -- WELL before my message in #189 -- you identify yourself as self-employed and exude a sense of financial success. My point was that perhaps you became self-employed because you view working for somebody as 'kissing ass' and that you lack sufficient people-skills to get along with coworkers or bosses. This seems to be borne out by your behavior on this thread.

And -- trust this -- your financial success nonwithstanding, I am by NO wise "jealous" of you. I make enough to do very well, and I'm sure glad I don't have your people-skill set.

306 posted on 08/03/2003 2:03:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: scripter
Of course there is not a shortage of IT workers in the U.S. So why does Congressman Kirk say there is? I can't believe the guy is so clueless as to actually believe there's a shortage of IT workers in the U.S. What's in it for him?

Check through the freedom of information act..want to bet who are some of his biggest supporters?

There are a lot of tech workers here on FR. What would happen if all of them and the men they know wrote to your congressman ?

307 posted on 08/03/2003 2:03:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (WERE)
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To: jpl
In eighteen months, when Howard Dean or Dick Gephardt is President and the Democrats have retaken control of the House and Senate, a lot of these businesses will be singing a different tune, and the Stupid Party will be left once again scratching its head and wondering what on earth happened

Huh it seems that you are licking you chops at the prospect of a Dean or Gephardt presidency.

Either you are as Lenin put it a "useful idiot" or just a plain idiot working from the bowels of the DNC.

BTW, your alls mutual admiratition doom and gloom society for the last 50 replies or so, was amusing and yet kinda of sad, seeing that the world will always have chicken little glass half emptiers, such as yourself.

Thank God Ronald Reagan was a glass half fuller.

308 posted on 08/03/2003 2:05:57 PM PDT by Dane
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To: SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)

I've been approached recently by a few headhunters looking for C++ and Java people. I'm steering clear of Java in favor of C# and .NET technologies, and I cannot really say I'm a C++ guy. Besides, I'm okay where I'm at. You wanna relocate to Hotlanta? I'll give you contacts if you desire.

309 posted on 08/03/2003 2:06:32 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Dane
What happened to dinner with the 'rents?
310 posted on 08/03/2003 2:07:17 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Lazamataz
It was great. Good food and good convesration.

Oh that's right in your mind America is now 1789 France, filled with doom and gloom.

To put it in your mindset, "We bourgoise pigs had food that should have been destined for peasants".

311 posted on 08/03/2003 2:10:23 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Agamemnon
Learn to become the CEO of yourself before you fall into the same trap of jealousy.

Actually, I am #1 and am not #2. However, I am not so egocentric as to think that the well-being of my company does not depend upon the well-being of my client base - who are about 95% American residents. Therefore, even if I am doing just fine, I worry every day that there may be a bend in the road further along. As Andy Groves said, only the paranoid survive.

312 posted on 08/03/2003 2:10:50 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Dane
It was great. Good food and good convesration.

Kinda quick and awfully early to dine supper, but I'm glad you had a good time.

Oh that's right in your mind America is now 1789 France, filled with doom and gloom. To put it in your mindset, "We bourgoise pigs had food that should have been destined for peasants".

You know, you don't have to be a pr**k every time you post. I know you may want to, but you don't have to. All I did was ask about your dinner.

313 posted on 08/03/2003 2:13:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Lazamataz
I have another friend who is quite successful. His screen name is Southack. His successes mirror or exceed your own. Yet I wish him nothing but continued success. Do you know why? It is because he is humble and is not completely self-absorbed.

I have admired a number of Southack's cogent analyses, and I supect that his personal and business success is foreign to the "beggar-thy-neighbor" politics-of-resentment hair-shirt you prefer to wear.

Shed the sack-cloth and the woe-is-me and the perverted desire you harbor, which hopes to make yourself look good or feel better at someone else's expense, or failure -- Career mistake #4 --. Career success for you stands a long way off with an attitude like that.

If you are looking for my failure, you'll have a long wait. Why don't you crawl out from behind that rock of fear from which you spitball success (your own included), and finally after 17 years in your career you can get to work on earning some successes you can truly call your own.

314 posted on 08/03/2003 2:13:24 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: SauronOfMordor
The picture you paint seems almost a return to Fuedalism, but it's hard to argue with,
given the way things are going
315 posted on 08/03/2003 2:14:03 PM PDT by MrNatural (..".You want the truth?!"...)
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To: Lazamataz
You know, you don't have to be a pr**k every time you post.

Just following your lead.

316 posted on 08/03/2003 2:14:40 PM PDT by Dane
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To: SauronOfMordor
In 2001, I made 300K. In 2002, it was a different story. Shit happens, and things change. Some years you find yourself Master of the Universe, other times things are not so good.

That's why it pays to diversify, not just your stock, but your skills-set too.

317 posted on 08/03/2003 2:16:39 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: Agamemnon
Let's see....diapers, bottoms, brown lips, and tootsie rolls. Someone's a tad obsessed with something.
318 posted on 08/03/2003 2:19:35 PM PDT by Buckwheats
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To: Agamemnon
I have admired a number of Southack's cogent analyses, and I supect that his personal and business success is foreign to the "beggar-thy-neighbor" politics-of-resentment hair-shirt you prefer to wear.

Nonsense. I bear no resentment for success, as I have repeatedly mentioned. I only dislike people who exhibit personal character flaws that you have demonstrated on this thread.

Shed the sack-cloth and the woe-is-me and the perverted desire you harbor, which hopes to make yourself look good or feel better at someone else's expense, or failure -- Career mistake #4 --. Career success for you stands a long way off with an attitude like that.

You also seem to imagine things outright. In which post did I say 'woe is me' or don a sack-cloth? I am actually doing quite well financially right now. My concern is for my fellow Americans. That would be a foreign concept to you.... (exaggerated pause) .... a foreign concept.

If you are looking for my failure, you'll have a long wait. Why don't you crawl out from behind that rock of fear from which you spitball success (your own included), and finally after 17 years in your career you can get to work on earning some successes you can truly call your own.

I call all of my present successes my own.

You really need to work on your skills relating to people. Have you considered therapy?

319 posted on 08/03/2003 2:19:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Buckwheats
Let's see....diapers, bottoms, brown lips, and tootsie rolls. Someone's a tad obsessed with something.

LOL! Literally laughing out loud.

320 posted on 08/03/2003 2:20:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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