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White-Collar Exodus
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| July 29, 2003
| Betsy Stark
Posted on 08/03/2003 7:42:08 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: EnDinNJ
My I only complaint was with the "I know that sounds a bit wrong from a conservative."
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:25:49 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: RockyMtnMan; RLK
Name calling will not alter facts Please stop the Hillary like victim routine. RLK started the name calling with his reply #51 and you know it and so does anybody who reads the thread.
102
posted on
08/03/2003 9:26:31 AM PDT
by
Dane
To: Mini-14
I doubt it, I think that President Bush has a tin ear.
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And a tin brain.
103
posted on
08/03/2003 9:27:05 AM PDT
by
RLK
To: RockyMtnMan
This is definately a political land mine and the Republicans had better get their game plan together. This issue has the power to sway public opinion more than any other. This about middle America's pocket book now and the threat of losing a job to offshoring will make everyone question their job security. I am a Republican who will not be voting for ANY Republican in 2004. My own Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois sent me a letter claiming that H-1Bs and L-1s are necessary because there is a "shortage" of workers in the U.S.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:27:38 AM PDT
by
Mini-14
To: RLK
Who is the slave owner and/or driver of these whitecollar workers in the other countries under discussion? I don't understand your premise.
105
posted on
08/03/2003 9:28:57 AM PDT
by
maica
To: Dane
Now the supermarket has effectively outsourced three cashier positions to the machines Your use of the word "outsourced" is incorrect in this statement. You have described technological innovation, not the practice of replacing U.S. workers with foreign workers.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:29:49 AM PDT
by
Mini-14
To: Dane
Recently a supermarket chain in my area has introduced self-serve checkout counters. Basically there are 4 self-serve machines and an island for one cashier. He/she is there to punch in the produce price and check ID's for alcohol or handle any problems a customer may have using the machine. I like the self-serve machines. They seem to be less time consuming and make the checkout process faster. They did that here too. I refuse to use them. Do they lower the price if you use self serve checkout? No. So, in effect you are paying the store for you to do the work for them. Part of the price of the goods is the wages of the checkout clerk and the bagger. If you do that work and the cost does not change, that is extra profit for the store that they have not earned.
I ain't that stupid.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:30:00 AM PDT
by
Petruchio
(<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
To: Mini-14
I am a Republican who will not be voting for ANY Republican in 2004. My own Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois sent me a letter claiming that H-1Bs and L-1s are necessary because there is a "shortage" of workers in the U.S And may I ask, whom will you be voting for?
Don't be afraid to say, we can talk about your choices in a reasonable discussion.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:31:40 AM PDT
by
Dane
To: maica
The old southern slave quarters have been moved several thousand miles away to socialist countries to the benefit of the new slavemasters, CEOs and such.
109
posted on
08/03/2003 9:32:16 AM PDT
by
RLK
To: Dane; RLK
Then I would apply the same critique to him. Stop the name calling it just makes people more irrational. As conservatives we should be able to stick to the facts as a debatable topic not each other.
To: RockyMtnMan
Demand can also be influenced from the supply side by manipulating supply or by lowering prices.
Of course, there is the intangible of quality. The discerning consumer would gladly pay more for better quality. The effect of offshoring on quality remains to be seen.
The point is somewhat off topic but should still be considered: When will we reap these economic benefits offshoring is supposed to deliver? I see costs remaining relatively static while costs continue to decline.
To: Petruchio
They did that here too. I refuse to use them. Do they lower the price if you use self serve checkout? I guess it never occurred to you that they may reduce the markup on their prices, especially in such a competitive enviroment as food distribution is in the US.
Oh, that's right you probably think that the old Soviet model for food distribution is ideal.
Never mind.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:36:02 AM PDT
by
Dane
To: Doohickey
I see costs remaining relatively static while costs continue to decline.
That is the danger, the affects of offshoring may hit us all at once. Our time to react may be too late to off-set the effects. We are wading into uncharted territories with the BPO trend.
To: RLK
Your answer is not rational. No one is holding telephone answerers in Ireland or India in bondage.
114
posted on
08/03/2003 9:37:31 AM PDT
by
maica
To: Dane
I'm still waiting. If I were holding stock in a company that was rushing offshore, I would insist on an accounting of where the cost savings are going. They'd better be going into price cuts (to deliver more business) or research (to potentially deliver more business).
I've always given corporate executives the benefit of the doubt, but my confidence is definately wavering.
To: Lazamataz
We'll be free to write poetry and such like the Ancient Romans.
116
posted on
08/03/2003 9:37:51 AM PDT
by
GraniteStateConservative
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: RockyMtnMan; RLK
Then I would apply the same critique to him. Stop the name calling it just makes people more irrational. As conservatives we should be able to stick to the facts as a debatable topic not each other. That's what I did. I just pointed out something that is happening in supermarkets across the country(self-serve checkout counters) and what do I get?
Reply #51 from RLK calling me a "sadist".
Like I said before, IMO, RLK's reply is basically Hillary knee jerkism at it's best.
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:39:03 AM PDT
by
Dane
To: Dane
The most successful will be managing those businesses and be trying to find new and better things from the opprotunities that spring up and not lamenting their so-called salad days of going into work 9-5 at a desk job.Manufacturing jobs are sent out of the country.
White collar jobs are now being sent out of the country.
Construction jobs are taken over by illegals who send thier paychecks out of country.
The only jobs left here are minimum wage. At minimum wage the people can't afford to purchace the products no longer made here. So the Corps will go out of business. What then?
118
posted on
08/03/2003 9:39:22 AM PDT
by
Petruchio
(<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
To: RockyMtnMan
My analysis has been posted here many times. Go here:
http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/ch243.htm
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posted on
08/03/2003 9:39:42 AM PDT
by
RLK
To: Doohickey
Ideally those savings would go into new investment in the local economy instead of lowering prices. The net effect would be much more dramatic for the economy at large.
I believe the reinvestment of savings is going right back to India for those new opportunities. This breaks the "trickle down" effect completely.
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