Bush, Republicans losing support of retired veterans

Knight Ridder ^ | 07-28-03

[ohioWfan]

FAS has been zotted.

[ohioWfan]

Exactly........and apparently some freepers have picked up on the leftist lead of quoting a small minority and (falsely) representing it as a majority view.

[Poohbah]

FAS has been zotted.

Color me utterly unsurprised.

[ohioWfan]

hehe.....

[justshe]

Exactly........and apparently some freepers have picked up on the leftist lead of quoting a small minority and (falsely) representing it as a majority view.

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That is exactly what is occuring. The small minority is misrepresented as the majority. Piffle!

[jwalsh07]

Dean's arguably more fiscally conservative than Bush is. His budgeting works, and he's pro-gun.

Asinine, he balanced Vermonts budget with federal funds while growing the states budget at rates that would spin your head.

He favors REPEAL of ALL of Bush's tax cuts and universal health care.

He wants to ban gun shows and is a strong supporter of AWB.

Are there any planets distal to Pluto?

[VRWC_minion]

I notice my stepfather, who was a big Bush supporter

Is his name Many by any chance ?

[hchutch]

When it comes to the paleo-cons, I tend to agree. If some of that crowd didn't exist, I think Terry McAuliffe or Hillary would have had to invent them. The neoconservatives (where I tend to find myself quite comfortable) are different, and NOT a threat.

[Jhoffa_]

Kerry has ties to anti-war protests and a publication..

He's toast on this issue.. Just like the rest of the rats.

They shot their credibility long ago and then dug it up and spit on it when democrat house members broadcast from Iraq.

[ohioWfan]

Piffle?? :o)

[BenR2]

"Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid."
John Wayne

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true. true.

[BenR2]

I think you're right. What we really need is the political equivalent of 9/11 to motivate conservatives to move from the complaining stage to the action/involvement stage. A call to arms mentality. For sure, the "Crusty One" would do it.

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Good analogy.

[Jhoffa_]

..and he's pro-gun.

So was algor... Remember?

He was pro-life too, if you recall.

[BenR2]

I am one of the military retirees who is getting screwed on the VA disability stuff. I am conservative and have voted republican all my life. If congress does not fix the problem inspite of Bush I not vote for those republican candidates who did not support elimination of the VA TAX. This is a PRIMARY issue among military retirees. It will come back to haunt republicans.

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I think you have a valid complaint. Too bad Karl (Marx) Rove and GWB aren't listening.

[BenR2]

IMHO Bush is on very thin ice. If the demos march out someone with a little character and dazzlement Bush might find himself standing with dad in the un-employment line.

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You may have a point.

[Jhoffa_]

If the demos march out someone with a little character and dazzlement Bush might find himself standing with dad in the un-employment line.

I think that could happen.. quite easily in fact.

But they have to find that someone and find him quick.. and the current crop of goofballs won't take kindly to it either..

There would be allot of ill will towards a newcomer at this point, especially from Lieberman, Dean and Kerry.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I have a question about the "base".

I imagine that the whole of the voters, looked at in accordance to political views, would appear as a pyramid, with the broad base being the more centrist in ideology who consider themselves Republicans, and coming to a point as we reach the self-define "true conservatives" or paleocon political group.

So, if paleocons are the minority of the party, why do they constantly call themselves the "base"?

You can't set a pyramid up on it's pointy end and expect it to balance and stand.

The "base" of the GOP is in the volume of centrist voters, who are in actuality the base of any political party. Political parties constantly play to those closest to the center of ideology, who would easily swing their vote one way or another according to their specific views.

All that voters at the extreme edges of either political party will do, is abandon that party for a third party that reflects their ideology, not vote for the opposition.

When political parties receive messages from factions within their own political sprectrum that point to the possibility of their votes going elsewhere, rather than acquiescing to what amounts to political blackmail ("do what I want you to do, or I will take my vote away") the parties seek to replace them with people closer to the center.

If you have to go fishing, you go where there's a whole lot of fish.

So maybe the "base" are not all that.

[BenR2]

But they have to find that someone and find him quick.. and the current crop of goofballs won't take kindly to it either..

There would be allot of ill will towards a newcomer at this point, especially from Lieberman, Dean and Kerry.

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Your points above are hard to refute. LOL.

[Jhoffa_]

Can you imagine Kerry and Dean greeting this "Mr. X" charachter at the Primary?

LOL! I can hear it now..

Hello Mr. X! It's an honor and a privilidge sir! (cough) ...a**wipe

[hchutch]

You got it. Politicians don't always put up with the threats. Despite what certain "true conservatives" would like to believe, if you kick a guy in the teeth the way they have kicked Bush in the teeth, sometimes, they might go elsewhere for the votes.