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Nuns say prison won't kill their spirit of protest
Grand Rapids Press ^ | July 24, 2003 | Charles Honey

Posted on 07/24/2003 1:12:14 PM PDT by FourPeas

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To: FourPeas
I've heard the expression "numb-nuts" well now it is nun-nuts.
41 posted on 07/24/2003 2:09:42 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: seleniteswells
You won't last long posting like that.
42 posted on 07/24/2003 2:12:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: RockChucker
If these nuns are so eager to stop evil, why don't they go trash an abortion clinic? Maybe it's because they wouldn't get such good press if they did that. And the previous poster who says the nuns probably figured they'd get easy time because they are nuns - that's probably exactly what they figured.
43 posted on 07/24/2003 2:14:26 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: All
How can you call it non violent when they cut through two fences, (kind of destructive) beat on things with hammers (fairly destructive) and smeared their blood on things? Sounds kind of violent to me. To my understanding, Jesus' instructions were to obey the laws of the land as best they could.

I would definitely say there is a pride issue here...
44 posted on 07/24/2003 2:18:28 PM PDT by pullmyfinger
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To: Steve_Seattle
IMHO Religious people should stick to guiding my spiritual life and leave politics alone. When they venture onto a Military base to do damage no matter what basis they have they should face their punishment like anyone else.
45 posted on 07/24/2003 2:25:47 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: isthisnickcool
We didn't have nuns like this when I was in catholic school.

They started showing up in the late sixties. A lot of them started losing their traditional faith, and at the same time the church was taking nuns and priests out of seminaries and putting them in secular universities where they imbibed the Leftism of the era. When nuns lose their faith they feel VERY irrelevant and angry, and Left-wing politics becomes a substitute religion. It's a lot more fun for them than teaching runny-nosed third-graders.
46 posted on 07/24/2003 2:29:11 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: FourPeas
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Nuns or no, lock them up.

Did I ever tell you about the vicious man-eating nuns I had in the fourth grade?

47 posted on 07/24/2003 2:41:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Trteamer; FourPeas; All
OK...I know there's a bolder one out there somewhere, but here's the first one I came across, from Synapse 45:

Sister Ardeth Platte, OP, originally from Michigan, ran through her extensive biography of working for justice. She told of her years on the City of Council of Saginaw, the legal process of citizens working to keep Project ELF out of the state, the state wide referendum in which the populus overwhelmingly opposed the Navy facility's construction, only to be ignored by the Pentagon. Project ELF was built. Ardeth turned to nonviolent resistance and had much better results. First Wirtsmith Air Force Base closed, a campaign to which she and Sr. Carol Gilbert dedicated their time, then K. I. Sawyer, in the upper peninsula of Michigan closed once the two women moved there.

Like I said, Ardeth and Carol really believe they are the sole reason the United States Congress closed down two heavy bombardment wings whose core mission had disappeared. These women are not just spiritually stunted, they have delusions of grandeur.

Also, I know I'm not bringing a whole bunch of shocking info here, but the paxchristi and ploughshare crowd like to talk about B-52s and other "WMDs" but in the early '90s they screwed with USS Gettysburg at Bath Iron Works and took ball peens to an A-10 at a Guard base near Phillie.

Lastly, a friend of a friend who was stationed at Wurtsmith with me has a very amusing photo of himself arresting Ardeth. Wish I had a copy...

48 posted on 07/24/2003 3:13:20 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay/We killed Qusai today/We killed Uday today/We said hooray today!!)
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To: Mr. Silverback; FourPeas; All
Thanks for the PING! Well folks, we Colorado FReepers FReeped the nuns and their supporters a couple of months ago in Greeley Colorado when the local Communists gave them awards and made speeches. Someone in the crowd actually held up a sign with nothing on it but the Hammer and Sickle. Marine FReeper fivetoes went beserk yelling at the Commnnitsts.

SO NOW YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR SATURDAY!!:From the wesite of the Commies (http://www.rmpjc.org/)

Adopt a Missile Silo!

Citizen Weapon Inspection Teams

Saturday, July 26, 2003 at the 49 nuclear missile silos of northeastern Colorado Concerned citizens from across the country will converge in northeastern Colorado to decry the dangerous and illegal nuclear weapons that are poised there on remote-controlled, hair-trigger alert. They draw their inspiration from the Dominican nuns, Sisters Ardeth Platte, Carol Gilbert and Jackie Hudson, who were recently convicted of the crime of symbolically disarming an illegal nuclear missile silo located in Weld County. The sisters begin serving lengthy prison sentences on July 25, and the action is meant to let the government know that they cannot silence these courageous voices of dissent.

“I've never seen myself as an activist, but the nuns have inspired me to take action. Their action and our government's response bring into sharp focus the discrepancy between those values that I think are a core part of our country and where we are headed.”

Just as Neighborhood Crime Watch groups keep an eye on their community, the volunteer Citizen Weapon Inspection Teams have committed to take on personal responsibility for inspecting, exposing and demanding the disarmament of the deadly nuclear missile system that looms in their backyards. These groups are comprised of ordinary citizens who will amplify the sisters’ message regarding the illegal existence and dangers of 49 nuclear missile silos in Colorado.

The Minuteman III nuclear missile silos in northeastern Colorado are part of a nuclear attack system that includes over 500 silos nationwide. Each one of these missiles is 20 to 30 times more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, and they are all on alert in spite of the 1970 Nuclear Non- proliferation Treaty.

The sisters were arrested when they entered the enclosure around one of the Colorado silos, painted crosses in their own blood, and symbolically pounded on the weapons with a small hammer.

The participants call upon the United States government to de-alert these missiles and move toward compliance with International Law and the abolishment of nuclear weapons. At 11:00 am, Citizen Weapons Inspection Teams from a diverse background will perform protests or ceremonies at each of the 49 nuclear missile silos in Colorado. At 12:30 pm, the groups will rendezvous at the Community Center in the small town of Stoneham to participate in the symbolic disarming of a nuclear weapons system that is in direct violation of the 1970 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

“It’s important for people of faith to remember and to know and to witness that these weapons are wrong. The nuns have called attention to it and we have to continue to call attention to it. The message can’t be lost because the government decided to put the messengers in jail.”

- Bob Kinsey, chairman of the Rocky Mountain Conference – Peace and Justice Task Force of the United Church of Christ.

One inspired individual has taken the message even farther; he is walking from Gunnison, Colorado to the sisters’ sentencing in Denver, gathering fellow walkers, poems and messages of peace along the way. Peace Poets founder Alan Wartes hopes his journey will inspire others to take a creative and passionate approach not only to resisting war and violence, but also to creating a more just and sustainable world. The Peace Poets will conclude the walk with a public reading on July 24 at 4 pm in front of the Denver City and County Building.

“I am walking to add my voice to the three courageous nuns, whose act of non- violent civil disobedience has drawn more attention to the presence of illegal and immoral weapons of mass destruction in our own backyards than has been seen in many years.”

- Alan Wartes, Peace Poets founder.

Organizations participating in this witnessing against the destructive power of nuclear weaponry include Colorado Code Pink, Citizens for Peace in Space, Peace Poets, Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center, Free Range Theater, The Faithful Witnesses of Iliff School of Theology, Pax Christi, Rocky Mountain Buddhist Peace Fellowship, Vox Feminista, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, the Raging Grannies, Poudre Valley Citizen Weapon Inspectors, Women in Black, the Peace Party Supper Club, DRASTIC, Mothers Acting Up, the Boulder Co-Housing Community, United Church of Christ and a host of others. Footage of the sisters and related disarmament efforts is available from Zero to Sixty Productions, which is producing a documentary on the sisters and their work. Contact Brenda Fox at xxx-xxx-xxxx for information. Advance press packets complete with maps and a menu of actions can be requested by contacting Stephanie Tidwell from the Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center at xxx-xxx-xxxx or xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

The Air Force has been alerted along with the local Sherriffs Deptartments. I hope the Commies cross the fence and get to join the nunns in prison. We would FReep them, but the Air Force has it under controll and we are FReeping Hillary in Denver Saturday. Wish us luck!! All the Best, Trteamer

49 posted on 07/24/2003 3:39:51 PM PDT by Trteamer (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Vote.)
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To: fivetoes; AbsolutePower; CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
PING
50 posted on 07/24/2003 3:41:10 PM PDT by Trteamer (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Vote.)
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To: wideawake
Lock these heretical, terrorist traitors up.

Send them into their convent under a vow of silence.

Isn't that what nuns are suppose to do?

51 posted on 07/24/2003 3:42:41 PM PDT by Alouette (Every politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: francisr
..."I have worked with murderers and rapists that have gotten lesser sentences than this," said Sister Mary Brigid Clingman, a Dominican who worked in the Detroit criminal justice system. "The sentence far outweighs the reality of the crime."

Good, Sister Mary Brigid! Now you can do the time they should have gotten save for your whiney intervention!

52 posted on 07/24/2003 3:48:32 PM PDT by albee
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To: FourPeas
"They call the charges "bogus" and say the government is trying to intimidate others protesting U.S. military policy. "

It is funny that breaking in to a military installation has severe penalties?

Of course they are trying to intimidate others. That is the whole purpose of penalizing people for a crime. Teach them and others a lesson. THAT IS INTIMIDATING.

If it is too harsh, perhaps they will be hesitant to repeat.

53 posted on 07/24/2003 4:01:36 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: Longshanks
In grammar school I had the Sisters of Charity. In high school I had the Dominican nuns. They were fine nuns in full habit and they taught self-discipline, self-discipline and more self-discipline in all that you do in life. They also taught modesty, courtesy in addition to a fine academic background. And they taught American history - pride in America as they greatest country the world has even seen.

I recently met a "nun" who was dressed in wrinkled, tight shorts and a shirt. She had thunder thighs and a rear that doesn't bear mentioning. And she was not young. I don't know what happened to the Catholic Church lately. Nuns going to prison and homosexual priests. My faith in God, however, remains the same.

54 posted on 07/24/2003 4:05:03 PM PDT by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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To: FourPeas
"the sentences are baseless for what they insist was a lawful act of civil disobedience under international law. They note they and others have engaged in more than 80 similar acts since 1980 as part of the Plowshares peace movement, with far lesser punishments. "

80 similar acts????? these women are dangerous and need to be locked up for a long long time.
55 posted on 07/24/2003 4:44:27 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Alouette
The Dominicans, sadly, are not a cloistered order.

In theory they are supposed to be teachers - perhaps it's best that they've abandoned their vocation and taken up activism: at least they're not poisoning toddlers' minds.

56 posted on 07/24/2003 5:08:08 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
The Dominicans, sadly, are not a cloistered order.

Weren't they the ones who ran the Inquisition? Or was that the Jesuits?

Whatever, FWIW, I think the Pope should order these "nuns" into a cloister and put them under a "vow of silence." That, or strip them of their "habits" (it seems most modern "nuns" have abandoned the traditional habit in favor of Hillary's black pants suit) and give them over to the Law.

Or would they not obey the Pope?

I am not Catholic, but I would guess that these creatures are as much an embarrassment to faithful Catholics as lesbian reform women "rabbis" are to Orthodox Jews.

57 posted on 07/24/2003 5:55:22 PM PDT by Alouette (Every politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: Alouette
Weren't they the ones who ran the Inquisition?

The Spanish Inquisition.

Or was that the Jesuits?

That's the Roman Inquisition - Galileo, etc.

Or would they not obey the Pope?

The fact that they are neither wearing the habit or living the charism of their order (their specialty, so to speak, i.e. teaching) demonstrates that they are already disobeying him flagrantly.

I would guess that these creatures are as much an embarrassment to faithful Catholics as lesbian reform women "rabbis" are to Orthodox Jews.

That sounds about right. You know how you roll your eyes when "Rabbi" Michael Lerner talks about tikkun olam? That's the same counter-naches I get when these doddering biddies start spouting off about "the social Gospel."

58 posted on 07/24/2003 7:14:07 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Alouette
I am not Catholic, but I would guess that these creatures are as much an embarrassment to faithful Catholics as lesbian reform women "rabbis" are to Orthodox Jews.

I am Catholic, and yes, a little embarrased by it. The leftism and hypocracy of many individuals in church postitions has really caused me to distance myself from a lot of the church, unfortunatly.

Too much time spent on 'piece missions', gun control, democrat backing, and the like. It's not the church I grew up with.(and I'm in my 20's)

59 posted on 07/24/2003 7:22:22 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If it feels good, Do It! Don't Think Twice!" - Lynyrd Skynyrd)
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To: Trteamer
I did some looking around and was surprised to find the Rocky Mountain News describing the plans for Saturday as having a carnival atmosphere. They made it sound like someone was planning a grand shindig, rather than a bunch of kooks gathering to protest the incarceration of traitors. Amazing.
60 posted on 07/24/2003 8:28:35 PM PDT by FourPeas
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