In Search of Noah’s Ark

MSNBC ^ | July 21st, 2003 | Eve Conant

[al_c]

Good job!

[BibChr]

No no no, don't try to tell me that.

I said, Now, honesty (or knowledge of your Rome's dogma?) test: what does the church of Rome ADD TO that statement as requirements for salvation ("...Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died for my sins so that I may be saved")?

To THAT QUESTION, you responded, That we should live by the laws set up by God himself and given to us through His Word ... the Bible.

Now you say something different. Do not blame ME for being confused.

As to the Christian (i.e. Biblical) position, see post 117.

Dan

[al_c]

It's not different. Let me put it on a bumper sticker for you ...

what does the church of Rome ADD TO that statement as requirements

(If the RCC adds anything as you claim) ... To live according to His Word.

[BibChr]

Okay, al dear al, I swear I'm not meaning to be argumentative, but that statement as I'm trying to plain-English it, means that you believe that salvation is won/earned/received/bestowed (pick your verb) ON THE BASIS OF (or by means of) our faith and our works. That is Rome's position.

The position I laid out, what I understand the Bible to be teaching, is quite different. At least we ought to be clear on that; hard to dialogue otherwise. Like once when I talked with an RC priest; nice guy, liked him a lot, but it was like boxing with a fog-bank.

Dan

[al_c]

Okay, al dear al, I swear I'm not meaning to be argumentative, but that statement as I'm trying to plain-English it, means that you believe that salvation is won/earned/received/bestowed (pick your verb) ON THE BASIS OF (or by means of) our faith and our works. That is Rome's position.

Or are you hearing only what you want to hear because I am a Catholic Christian?

The position I laid out, what I understand the Bible to be teaching, is quite different.

Your own personal interpretation of scripture?

At least we ought to be clear on that; hard to dialogue otherwise. Like once when I talked with an RC priest; nice guy, liked him a lot, but it was like boxing with a fog-bank.

Pot, meet kettle. ;o)

[Oberon]

You want a grave from an individual named in the Old Testament who is not a historical figure? I'm not sure I understand what it is exactly that you're looking for.

Maybe this will help:

"Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that pillar marks Rachel's tomb." -Genesis 35:20

And here it is:

[kidd]

So you have ZERO experience in the study of the Catholic faith. You have a lot of experience in Protestant studies, but all you have for experience is Protestant propoganda.

And you try to preach to me what Catholics believe in??? I'm having a theological gunfight with an unarmed man.

Sorry bub, but you are no better than the fools who believe that the LA Times presents the news in a fair manner. I suggest that you add the Catholic Catechism to your reading list before you continue as a vocal critic of Catholicism.

If you are the type of person who would urge a liberal to try the Free Republic to discuss politics intelligently, then you should read the Catechism to discuss Catholicism intelligently. Fair enough?

Don't worry, I'm not looking to convert you, and I'll bet that you will agree with 99% of the Catholic Catechism. I've read your replies on the subject of nuclear power and I've read your history. You lack discernment. I suggest that you pray and ask God for the gift of dicernment - and then develop that gift by reading materials that might educate you - even if it results in a change in a hard-set opinion.

Post 117 leads into the usual Protestant/Catholic discussion of works, grace and performing the commandments of Jesus. Thats been done many times before and I will simply agree to disagree with you on that. You've tried to steer this thread into this discussion. My original beef was with your assertion that Catholics don't read the bible. Your response in #117 does nothing to confirm your post in #28, in fact I would judge that it affirms my point that Catholics read the bible.

[BibChr]

That was a stupid posting, al. Now you're just arguing. Agree or disagree, there wasn't a thing "fog"-like in my posting. If the RC position embarrasses you, that's your issue. You want it solved, let's talk. You want to keep it, we're done.

Dan

[BibChr]

Again, sheer empty rhetoric, and false to boot.

Only one specific carge levelled, and it is PALPABLY in error. You were already corrected, too! You misstate my plainly-stated "original beef." Care about truth? Look it up and correct yourself. Don't care? Find another hobby.

Dan

[al_c]

Have a good day, Dan.

[AFreeBird]

B4L8r = BUMP for later

I supose to make more accurate, I should make it: BMP4L8r, but I didn't want to type that many letters.

[BibChr]

I will endeavor to persevere. You do the same!

Dan

[al_c]

Will do.

God bless,
Al

[Oberon]

Biblical reference from first trestement. Ramses is a historical figure.

Oh, I get it... You're wondering where Ramses II is mentioned in the OT. Sorry about that. I was having difficulty translating your post.

Here's one of the many references:

"Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three when they spoke to Pharaoh." -Exodus 7:7

According to historians, the Pharaoh mentioned here would have been Ramses II, whose tomb I showed you earlier. This Pharaoh is mentioned throughout the first eight chapters of Exodus.

[SunkenCiv]

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[The Cajun]

Since this is from 2003, I’ll take it that things didn’t pan out with the ark and all............Just surmising :)

[SunkenCiv]

They found an old homestead site (foundation at least, other stuff) and eventually (maybe from the same expedition) they found a Byzantine-era wreck with the mast still standing, down in the anoxia depths. The keywords ballard, robertballard, blacksea, noahsflood should turn up later topics. :’)