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BUSH CALLS FOR FULL $15 BILLION FOR AIDS IN AFRICA
Reuters ^ | Sat July 12, 2003 10:08 AM ET | By Patricia Wilson

Posted on 07/12/2003 10:56:40 AM PDT by Uncle Bill

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To: annyokie
Been to nursing home lately, annie?

Most of the folks there are wandering around in the world of Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia. How much is our compassionate conservative President spending on that tragedy?

What's that? These poor old folks don't vote? Well, Shrub can spend 10 time 15 billion and he won't make a dent in the black vote.

Bushies make me laugh/cry when they claim he's not a politician.

41 posted on 07/12/2003 1:54:04 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: annyokie
"They are people, too."

So are our vets.
When was the last time you visited a Veteran's Hospital?
I'm not talking about the primary care facilities; I'm talking about the long term care for those who are paralyzed or missing limbs or have severe brain damage.
Some of these vets don't have soap to take a bath or shampoo to wash their hair or false teeth to eat or eyeglasses to read the newspaper.

PLEASE wake up!
Charity begins at home, and we have hundreds of thousands of people in need right here in America!
The African bureaucrats have been corrupt forever. They can cover their trail so that there is no accounting for where the money actually goes.
We'll have a paper trail that leads to nowhere.
It will never be traced to the foreign bank accounts owned by despots in Africa.

42 posted on 07/12/2003 3:06:34 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: annyokie
Where does it authorize congress to dole out foreign aid?

This is a great way to suck money out of our struggling economy.

43 posted on 07/12/2003 3:09:11 PM PDT by Deport Billary
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Before anyone on this threads supports doing this, why don't you ask how the billions of dollars are going to be spent fighting aids? I don't think you will like the answer.

If Clinton did this while in office everyone on this thread would be all over him.
44 posted on 07/12/2003 3:15:09 PM PDT by keyd
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To: arkfreepdom
...and make sure the money is used for what it is meant to be used for.

There's the rub. How do you propose we do that?

Sorry, but I have to agree with Old Fud - it's easy to be compassionate on my nickel. It takes a lot more intestinal fortitude to tell immoral jag-offs to keep it in their pants or they're going to rot in jail, and then back it up with the $$ to enforce the law.

45 posted on 07/12/2003 3:16:26 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: annyokie
"How is humanitarian aid unconstitutional?"

Is it Constitutional?
Not that I'm aware of.

46 posted on 07/12/2003 3:18:45 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: annyokie
I take care of my children. I have scratched and clawed and bled to make sure that they are well cared for. Why can't these worthless trash?

No stealing?

If I refused to pay, the government would send people to my home to kill me. Who are you kidding?

We can afford it?

What, do you have a mouse in your pocket?
What is this "we" stuff?

You're pretty generous with my sweat and blood.

You want to waste money on our future enemies, have a bake sale or something. Keep your hands out of my pocket.
47 posted on 07/12/2003 3:23:27 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: TexasCowboy
It is humane and we can afford it. I'll give $100 for a poor child in Africa. Those people scrape by on about $1000 a YEAR. Where's your heart?
48 posted on 07/12/2003 3:23:58 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: annyokie
"We can afford it and I think we should do it."

In the famous words of that great Indian scout:
"What's with this 'WE' stuff, paleface?"

*I* can't afford it!
If I want to spend money on humanitarian aid I'll buy some more supplies for the vets in the Houston Veteran's Hospital!
I OWE THEM just like every American does!

49 posted on 07/12/2003 3:25:26 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Get real. We have the cushiest berth on the planet. If you can afford to buy lotto tickets every week, you can afford to get these children some health care.

To characterise the people of Africa as worthless trash is B$.

Shame on you.
50 posted on 07/12/2003 3:29:19 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: annyokie
I've never bought a lottery ticket in my life, not that it's relevent.

So, you advocate sending Jack Booted Thugs to kill me and take money from my children to send to these people who refuse to learn, refuse to change, refuse to care for themselves.

I already told you, if you want to flush your money down the toilet, go ahead, but keep out of my wallet.

If I was struggling, these people would eat my pets and murder and rape my children and you wouldn't even think of having a bake sale for my family.

53 posted on 07/12/2003 3:36:36 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: annyokie
"I'll give $100 for a poor child in Africa. Those people scrape by on about $1000 a YEAR. Where's your heart?"

My heart is in America, and that's where it's going to stay!

Let me reiterate:
I lived and worked there for several years, in various parts of Africa. I know how they live.

Let me propose a scenario to you:
On the streets of Lagos, Nigeria, you have a crowd of 150 kids tagging after you ranging in age from five to fifteen.
All of them are starving to death; they live on the streets.
All of them are begging you for just enough money to buy a piece of bread so that they might live one more day.
Not like the beggars we see here in America standing on the street corner asking for money which will probably be spent on booze; these kids actually need a little money to live.
WHAT are you going to do?

If you have enough money to buy ALL of them a loaf of bread, fine....you've extended their life for a day or two.
What about after that?

The situation in Africa is hopeless as long as Africans tolerate the conditions in which they live.
Our misguided attempts to help them only increase the power of the local bureaucrats so they can exert more control over the masses.
Our efforts of aid to Africa are self-defeating, and we could bankrupt America without helping them one iota.

54 posted on 07/12/2003 3:42:40 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"Jack-booted thugs"? Isn't that a bit extreme? I think your sheet is showing. No one wants to rape your children or eat your pets, let alone murder you or your family.

Switch to decaf.
55 posted on 07/12/2003 3:46:33 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: annyokie
Anny, I promise I'm not picking on you.
You have made statements that I've seen on this forum many times from well meaning, but naive, people.
When you travel the so-called Third World countries, you learn to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the cries for help.
The amount of help needed is beyond you, me and America.

The problem in Africa is over-population, and we CAN NOT fix that with ANY amount of money!

56 posted on 07/12/2003 3:52:12 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Uncle Bill
All this shows Africa is that they can do whatever the hell they want and we'll pay em.
57 posted on 07/12/2003 3:54:20 PM PDT by hemogoblin (The man with a full stomach has many problems; the man with an empty stomach has only one.)
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To: TexasCowboy
I know you are not picking on me.

I am well aware of the workings of Third World countries. While I have never been to Africa, I have known friends who lived and worked there and you are correct about the corruption.

I am not naive about the situation, but I think "hands off" is wrong.
58 posted on 07/12/2003 3:59:56 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: annyokie; TexasCowboy
I am not naive about the situation, but I think "hands off" is wrong.

So what is a solution? Throwing money at it doesn't work. Heck, the Dems have been doing that for years here.

I don't have a solution, but I agree with TexasCowboy on this one.

59 posted on 07/12/2003 4:03:45 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: TexasCowboy
I agree.

The root of Africa's problems is there are more Africans than Africa's resources are developed to decently support. Sending them $15 billion, or $150 billion for that matter will slightly improve things through Western food and medicine, for as long as the checks keep coming. The day the handouts stop, they will be even worse off then they are now - because thanks to that food and medicine we're going to ship them, there will be even more of them and their resources will be spread that much more thinly.

The only way Africa will get out of the hole it's in is the imposition of stable governments and rule of law to allow development of effective economies. This will never happen, because simple acknowledgement that this needs to be done is tacit admission that black Africa is incapable of running itself. Apparently watching them chop each other up with machetes and starve is preferable to being "racist."

There used to be countries in Africa that worked. Under European administration of course. But we called them racists and boycotted them while the Soviets propped up their enemies. Now the whites have had their property seized and left, the economies have collapsed, and the people starve in the streets.

There's progress for you.

60 posted on 07/12/2003 4:06:43 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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