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The Tipping Divide: Study Finds Differences in Tips by Black, White Restaurant Patrons
National Public Radio ^
| 7/11/2003
| National Public Radio
Posted on 07/11/2003 3:48:00 PM PDT by 07055
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To: 07055
My standard is to tip 15 to 20% depending on service. If it is a holiday like Thanksgiving then 35%.
To: Lijahsbubbe
So which one tips better? Generally men, by quite a bit. With exceptions, of course, but what seemed to me to be counterintuitive was that it didn't seem to matter whether the server was a man or a woman, it did whether the customer was.
The exception I noticed personally was that women who had once worked as a server tended to tip much better than those who hadn't. It was one of my female co-workers who pointed this out. Makes sense.
To: TontoKowalski
BTW, how are you, you gorgeous thing? Why thank you, I am just fine.... a little sunburned.
To: PresbyRev
,p>I've found that my fellow Christians pretty much suck at leaving reasonable tips. 'After-Church' self-righteous pricks who demand, demand, demand, then leave a few pieces of change and of course a "Gospel Tract."
LOL, back in the early 70's, Mrs. TC waited at a Pizza Hut. On one Sunday afternoon, she busted her buns on a table of 12 and only got tracts for tips.
She was fired for what she said as they headed out the door.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:17:46 PM PDT
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: HairOfTheDog
Its still weird to dangle money in front of people so they will treat you better.Wait staff already expect a tip. What's the difference letting them know up front that they get what they give?
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:17:59 PM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: Joe Hadenuf
Only a fool makes enemies with those that serve and cook their food.How right you are! That's my philosophy! Even if someone messes up my order, I ask very nicely to have it fixed!
To: chiller
"Would it be fair to assume that on balance, minorities make less than whites? If so, this is a non-story"
I think you are on to something here. In my opinion a lot of people are too quick to asign a racial reason for some behavior. I think a lot of afirmative action programs would work better based on economic factors and not skin color.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:18:53 PM PDT
by
lstanle
To: Lijahsbubbe
You betcha. Bottom line........
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:19:55 PM PDT
by
Joe Hadenuf
(RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
To: TontoKowalski
I've had a waiter treat my kid like dirt because he asks for a straw for his milk. I've been out where you could here the staff in the back hee-hawing while tables when completely untended for ten minutes or more.If the servers are THAT bad, then you really need to go speak to the manager. Any good restaurant manager has zero tolerance for servers who give the customers a hard time. They figure you'll tell all your friends, and they'll lose all their business as well as yours.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:20:42 PM PDT
by
CFC__VRWC
(Hippies. They want to save the earth, but all they do is smoke dope and smell bad.)
To: 07055
Blacks have an
incentive not to tip well. They can claim "racism" on the part of the service staff and
get paid millions by the jury at the trial. But they can only do that if the service towards them was bad compared to the service towards the higher-tipping whites. No such incentive exists for whites. The only incentive is towards better service -- which is obtained by increasing the tip. It's all a part of the "victim" mentality rampant in certain areas of American society (those claiming victim status all seen to vote Democrat too).
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:21:24 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Billthedrill
From someone who's done it - the big difference in tipping isn't black/white - it's men/women. Meanwhile, if youre Billthedrill versus some cutie with four buttons undone on her blouse - yeah, youre going to get the short end of that deal.
Ive never run across it, but Ive heard that the absolute worst are Canadians. Theyd go into a breakfast joint in Daytona Beach and order a side of toast and a cup of hot water. Theyd bring their own tea bag and not tip for toast.
But more recently Ive heard that theyll just go to Target or Wal-Mart and buy a coffee maker or toaster, use it for two weeks, then try to return it before they leave. Thats supposedly pretty common.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:21:34 PM PDT
by
Who dat?
To: Williams
I love all the articles that "teach" you how to tip, and explain why it should be 20 to 30%. I love how tax payer subsidized NPR is wasting our money on such an inane story. What, now they're shills for the restaurant industry?
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:22:02 PM PDT
by
Shermy
To: A_perfect_lady
Ooo, wait, I have a better idea... waiters should stop assuming they are entitled to a 15-20% tip and remember that patrons aren't legally required to leave them a bloody dime! How's that?!
Were you by any chance a character in Reservoir Dogs?
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:22:27 PM PDT
by
murdoog
(i just changed my tag line)
To: 07055
Tips used to be 15 percent years ago- now it seems 20% is the norm and is what I tip. But one thing I notice- is that waiters hate it when you don't order a bottle of wine or drinks or get a desert. Was out last night for an early dinner in the North End with a friend- we didn't order drinks or wine and the waiter gave us a dirty look as if we were wasting his time.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:23:01 PM PDT
by
Burkeman1
(If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
To: Who dat?
Damn Canadians.
To: dogbyte12
We have to remember what exactly we are tipping. I encourage everybody to tip the service. Even if the food is cheap, if you got served well, tip well. If ya get served crappy at an expensive place, why should that waiter get 5 times the amount of tip as the worker at the cheaper place? I'm with you. Also, nice restaurants by me have also started taking take-out orders, too. I will sometimes phone in an order and drive to the restaurant to bring the food home. In those cases, I do not tip at all, since I'm buying the food but not partaking in the service (except the kitchen service which I assume is factored into the menu price) even though a waiter still rings up the bill.
-PJ
To: murdoog
LOL!
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:23:28 PM PDT
by
Burkeman1
(If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
To: Just another Joe
Just calling it as being weird to me.... If I were with you, I would be dreadfully embarrassed. For the people that are having to pander particularly. I don't like treating people that are serving me like that. They have a job, just like me. There are a few service industries where tipping is the norm, waiting tables and bartending just being two, the other main one for me being hairdressers... The good ones try dang hard to be good, the bad ones aren't gonna be better because you have dangled a treat before them... I bet you get the same service you would have gotten otherwise, you just made the good ones feel beneath you when they shouldn't be.
To: Billthedrill
"...the big difference in tipping [is]... men/women. And everyone who's ever waited a table knows it."
But which group are the cheap b*st*rds?
Also, anyone who has ever worked for tips is a good tipper.
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posted on
07/11/2003 4:25:03 PM PDT
by
jocon307
To: F. dAnconia
I also worked a summer as a waiter and a bartender. In only a matter of a couple weeks, I could pin down the tip I would get by looking out at the table of people.
4 women - 4 bad tips
1 woman or 1 man - great tip
family of 4 or more and the man has shorts or sandals or t-shirt - awful tip.
1 middle aged guy with his wife or girlfriend or concubine (especially if the guy ordered for his wife) - great tip.
The next step was the approach. Inside 10 seconds of being at the table or bar talking to them I knew how hard to bust my ass. The people and their attitude drove the tip, my effort had virtually no impact on the tip.
The more detailed the dinner order, by anyone, the less the tip.
Everyone of the other waiters and waitresses knew all these things and would try to $lant the hostess to give them the big tippers.
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