Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[goodseedhomeschool]

I know you are searching junior. Keep praying, it'll come to you. :)

[Aric2000]

Nice try Junior, but you know that that is NOT the agenda.

The agenda is to to turn the volume up so loudly that science gets drowned out.

Popular science, is NOT all that scientific, and in all honesty, it ain't that popular. ID fits into that category very well.

[ThinkPlease]

Apologies madam, found your reply.

[goodseedhomeschool]

How does evolution have anything to do with those things? Forced mutations, always bad, , ice varves? says?????

[goodseedhomeschool]

I cannot prove how creation of the earth and universe etc, came to be and neither can you. We can all give our ideas.

[Lurking Libertarian]

I just read Job last night (the whole book). The 84 questions God asked Job was very revealing. HI bond :) Unicorns, behemoth, Leviathan, fascinating.

If you have unicorns in Job, you're reading the wrong translation. There are no unicorns in the Hebrew Bible.

[Junior]

Such a non-answer. Why? I needn't "search." I found God a long time ago. Of course, my God encourages me to use my brains (the "Parable of the Talents"). So, do you have any positive evidence in support of creationism, or will you simply be praying that "my eyes open?"

[goodseedhomeschool]

LOL well I read the KJV only. Unicorns is there 2 times. It looks like they are describing perhaps some type of tri (uni)ceritops to me, just my opinion.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I love you in the Lord Junior, I think we are finished here. :)

[ThinkPlease]

We just use the same ones the evos use.

Somehow, I doubt that.

It the bias going in that makes the difference.

But I bet you introduce a whole new set of baggage. The question is, which worldview is more cumbersome and less flexible?

[f.Christian]

Evolution uses existence (( something we all agree upon )) to explain evolution (( nature )) but they never explain evolution because there is no reality - cause - design - effect in evolution ... sorta of like turning in someone else's lab report ... getting an A --- and flunking the writer of the material !

I've seen it done lotsa x ' s !

[goodseedhomeschool]

As opposed to the old set of bagage ? :)

[goodseedhomeschool]

That was great :)

[goodseedhomeschool]

EVOLUTION: ARE YOU WILLING TO BET YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL ON IT?

[Condorman]

As gore3000 has accurately pointed out more than once, the evolutionist's cannot even provide a clear statement of what evolution is and how it is proved.

Perhaps you missed it, but I posted the basic theory to you at post 1194. Some processes for the three mechanisms I outlined have been defined, studied, and confirmed. Mutation, gene duplication, viral gene insertions and good old sexual reproduction contribute to variation. Selection pressure can be quantified and studied. And we've had a pretty good grasp on heredity for several hundred years.

As for proof, I'm surprised you have not yet seen it posted here that proof is never applicable to scientific theories. The best any theory can hope for is an overwhelming abundance of confirming evidence. How would you go about proving, for example, that gravity directs planetary motion?

[f.Christian]

Evolution is a reality - truth exemption ... license to lie - steal --- you have to promise your soul - eternity !

[HalfFull]

Number one, most of the world once thought the Earth was created by God or gods. That's going by the boards as evidence accumulates

Incorrect...more people are seeing that evolution is nonsense.

Evolution, so far, matches the available evidence and explains it. No contradictory evidence has come to light

Wrong again...evolution cannot be tested, observed, and hasn't been proved. It is, therefore, NOT science. That we have a fossil record, and faulty dating methods does not "explain the evidence" . There are two theories the explains what we see...one being the Biblical account, attested by many Biblical figures, including Jesus Himself.

So far, I haven't seen one iota of evidence from any of y'all supporting creationism. Your entire argument boils down to "evolution is wrong, so creationism wins by default."

Totally wrong, as you no-doubt should know. There have been plenty of discussion on these threads showing how what we observe today is in line with the Biblical account of Creation. Just because you deny it does not mean the evolution religion, "wins by default".

Show us what you have, or forget ever being accepted by the scientific community

You keep referring to this great "scientific community" as somehow proving evolution. Just because individuals, brainwashed in schools with evolution religious doctrine, obtain a college degree in a scientific field, does not prove that what they were taught is "true". Because you have greater numbers of people publishing in biased journals does not equate to evolution nonsense being correct nonsense

[ThinkPlease]

How does evolution have anything to do with those things? Forced mutations, always bad, , ice varves? says?

It's simple, madam, every new paleontological discovery, every new species of fossil is an experiment testing the theory of evolution. One of the implications of the theory is that species evolve over time, and species should have traits of fossils before or after it. Each discovery is a direct experiment of that.

One of the necessities of evolution is an old earth. Ice cores and radioactive dating are independent tests that show that the earth is sufficiently old for evolution to occur (can you believe that there are tens of thousands of years worth of ice under Siberia?).

Mutating fruit flies are tests of the mechanisms of evolution. What are the exact mechanisms that cause species to change? What happens if I change gene X or Gene Y? What outcome will that have in the adult organism?

That's just some of the tests. Evolutionary theory is fully integrated into many disciplines, and the framework is making a lot of good things possible to help people. If you knew the extent, you'd be surprised, I think.

[ThinkPlease]

I cannot prove how creation of the earth and universe etc, came to be and neither can you. We can all give our ideas.

Very true, but the MAP probe sure made a few ideas look a lot more scientifically attractive than others.

[Junior]

Evolution has nothing to do with one's immortal soul. Accepting Christ as one's savior is what's required, not belief in a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.