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Is sugar making us fat?
TCPalm.com ^ | July 1, 2003 | Lance Gay and Lee Bowman Scripps

Posted on 07/02/2003 4:56:13 PM PDT by SamAdams76

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To: Aquinasfan
Yep,

Two studies....

That isn't enough...
What studies we HAVEN'T seen are in calcium loss, cancer growth, hypertention etc...

And it will take years for it all to come out in the wash...

Me?
I love watching the spin cycle.
81 posted on 07/03/2003 11:14:09 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Your error is to assume cholesterol buildup in humans is caused by fat. It is not.

The chemical process is quite complex and some researchers even believe that a VIRUS is what causes the buildup of plaque, and this virus uses the elevated blood-sugar caused by excess CARBS along with the cholesterol from too much animal fat. If you eliminate the high blood-sugar, the animal fat doesn't matter.

I've been on Atkins about four years and have triglycerides of about 85... pass the bacon and eggs and oh yes, i'll have some diet jello with whipped cream, splenda, and walnuts fried in butter (topped with fresh strawberries and toasted coconut)

82 posted on 07/03/2003 11:14:49 AM PDT by chilepepper (Clever argument cannot convince Reality -- Carl Jung)
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To: DannyTN
Go read Dr. Atkins. He's been making people thin for 35 years.

He was making people thin.

He's now dead.


BUMP

83 posted on 07/03/2003 11:17:27 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: najida
To the professionals, he is a joke...

Yes, just as has been every person in the entire history of humanity who's ever made a breakthough in any field anywhere. First he's a psychopath, then he's a joke, then he's "unproven," then eventually everyone says they believed him all along.

The guy didn't claim to invent a pepetual motion machine. He spent his entire career developing this system, it works, and the medical establishment can't stand that they've been proven wrong, just like the Democrats can't stand it that the Republicans are running things now.

84 posted on 07/03/2003 11:17:43 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: McCool
And you are a dork because you type in big letters.

Go ask any serious bodybuilder what kind of diet they go on to prepare for a competition. It won't be the food pyramid diet.

85 posted on 07/03/2003 11:19:46 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: McCool
YOU'RE FAT BECAUSE YOU EAT MORE CALORIES THAN YOU BURN. PERIOD.

Easy on the dogma.

Show me the studies. I'll show you two from the New England Journal of Medicine that say quite the opposite.

86 posted on 07/03/2003 11:20:39 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: SamAdams76
This guy never saw a horse after a sugar cube in a pocket.

"Food without sugar or fat doesn’t have much taste, and "we aren’t horses," noted Robert Keith, a professor of nutrition at Auburn University."

87 posted on 07/03/2003 11:21:11 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: tm22721
He was making people thin.

He's now dead.

LOL! This is possibly the single most uninformed post on any subject matter in the history of FR. Congratulations!

To edge you a little closer to reality: He died because he slipped on a patch of ice, busted his head open and ended up with intracranial bleeding that caused brain death.

Oh wait, let me guess, Atkins causes vertigo, right?

88 posted on 07/03/2003 11:21:26 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: SamAdams76
This article fails to make a distinction between sugar and high fructose corn syrup, which is a "cheap" alternative to sugar and found in most processed food products today. High fructose corn syrup is nasty stuff and they seem to put it in everthing these days.

High fructose corn syrup has lowered the amount of calories we take as sweets.
An original 6 ounce coke with sugar was 125 calories.
A current 12 ounce can with hfcs is 150 calories, not the 250 it would have been with sugar to maintain the same taste. That is because hfcs is almost twice as "sweet" per calorie as sugar.

The whine about hfcs is just a cop out for not admitting that if we take in more calories than we burn, of any kind, we are gonna get fatter.

So9

89 posted on 07/03/2003 11:21:34 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: Dont Mention the War
The problem sweetie,
Is his diet has been cyclin' in and out of the American mainstream for 20 years...
Always fallin' from grace and not stickin'...

It ISN'T the way most humans were meant to eat...
Breakthrough? My Aunt Fanny...

He just told a gluttenous society what they wanted to hear....

Get back to me in five years ;)
90 posted on 07/03/2003 11:23:10 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: tm22721
He's now dead.

He's dead, but he's still making people thin. And he still had a very active practice at 79 when he slipped on the ice and died from a concussion.
91 posted on 07/03/2003 11:24:54 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: najida
In 5 years it will still be working for those of us who have seen through the crap of the food pyramid.

The south beach diet is essentially the same thing but it was designed by a cardiologist who was tired of seeing his patients getting fatter and dying. But I guess it doesn't count because he is not a nutritionist. He'll need much more schooling to master that field.

92 posted on 07/03/2003 11:26:55 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: Aquinasfan
Show me the studies. I'll show you two from the New England Journal of Medicine that say quite the opposite.

It may not be worth your time, my friend. This thread's been infested with two groups incapable of even considering a different viewpoint no matter how much evidence you toss at them: People that believe everything they're told by the news media (except on issues of politics, interestingly) and members of the medical establishment who have too much of their own egos invested in pushing outdated information.

Remember how long it took the medical community to admit that most ulcers are caused by bacteria instead of stress, even after it was proved beyond the shadow of a doubt? They hate hate HATE seeing a paradigm shift in any field of medicine. It's amazing we manage to progress forward at all.

93 posted on 07/03/2003 11:27:43 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: okkev68
The south beach diet is essentially the same thing but it was designed by a cardiologist who was tired of seeing his patients getting fatter and dying. But I guess it doesn't count because he is not a nutritionist. He'll need much more schooling to master that field.

LOL! Spot-on!

94 posted on 07/03/2003 11:29:15 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: okkev68
I have plenty of respect for a cardiologist to works on diets for his patients....And the South Beach diet is more nutritionally on target.

He has the 'gimmick' of carb detox, which for some patients, makes sense....

Weight loss and nutritional status are two very different things....That is what I keep saying.
95 posted on 07/03/2003 11:31:16 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: McCool
YOU'RE FAT BECAUSE YOU EAT MORE CALORIES THAN YOU BURN. PERIOD.

HIGHLY MISLEADING.

The human body is not a laboratory test tube beaker where one calorie burned raised the temperature of water one degree.

The human body is *far*, *far* more complex than that and the evidence to this effect is quite ample -- we all know people who eat tons of stuff and are as skinny as rails and other who are constantly on a diet and cannot lose weight to save their souls even if they eat lettuce and broiled chicken all the time. The "setpoint" in human metabolism varies greatly with the human population.

please try to transcend your brainwashing that fat is caused by "lazy people who eat too much" -- it is not so.

96 posted on 07/03/2003 11:32:13 AM PDT by chilepepper (Clever argument cannot convince Reality -- Carl Jung)
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To: najida
And it will take years for it all to come out in the wash...

The first "official studies" were produced this year, 30+ years after the diet's phenomenal introduction. Maybe they'll do a follow up study in another 30+ years. Personally, I won't be waiting around to find out, eating a low fat diet and developing diabetes and heart disease. Thanks, but no thanks.

The correlation between the increase in per capita consumption of carbohydrates (from 30 to 40 percent over a ten year period) and the increase in cases of diabetes and heart disease per capita is enough to convince me that low fat dieting is an unprecedented medical-field-generated disaster.

Besides strong opinions, I have seen no hard data indicating any problems with low-carb diets.

97 posted on 07/03/2003 11:32:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: SamAdams76
I am not overweight at all but would love to cut back on my carbs. I have days when I swear I am lucky to get 10 grams of protein and virtually eat all carbs.

As I get older I find that my once vigorous appetite has diminished--but here is the kicker--I tend to get headaches if I don't eat enough. Especially early in the day. So because I am underweight, I tend to eat pretty much whatever sounds appealing to me--just to get something in my bloodstream. 90% of the time it is something carbo...

So what do you eat? Especially, early in the day? I was thinking of getting some of those protein drinks but the only one that doesn't kill you going down is loaded with an artificial sweetener.

98 posted on 07/03/2003 11:32:40 AM PDT by riri
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To: DAnconia55; SamAdams76
Michelbo Ultra is not beer. :)

It's close, and this makes it beerable - I mean bearable.


99 posted on 07/03/2003 11:33:52 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Dont Mention the War
then eventually everyone says they believed him all along.

Yep. I can't wait. In ten years it will be conventional wisdom. And we'll have many more low carb foods to choose from.

I remember talking to people about school vouchers 25 years ago and people looked at me like I had two heads....

100 posted on 07/03/2003 11:35:38 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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